A thought on 90125 and Big Generator..

caretaker wrote: I like both of these albums. Not as much as the more prog stuff. But, I still enjoy the first two albums very much and 90125 and Big Generator reminded me a little of them.

Good answer.The only problem I have with it personally is that it sounds like you're most definitely making the common fallacy of putting Yes's 1st 2 albums in a category all their own and implying that they're somehow less prog than the subsequent 6 core studio albums because the songs weren't 20 min. in length and they hadn't become well known yet.What about all the complex,unconventional vocal harmonies,the constantly changing intricate drumming of Bruford,taking conventional well known pop songs and turning them into little prog excursions,the classical themes coming from a distorted and often experimentally disonant sounding lead guitar,or the complex arrangements and use of chords more commonly used in jazz rather than pop.And not to mention that Time and a Word was the only studio album that the famous orchestral band Yes ever hired an orchestra to record with and the only time they used an orchestra until 1996.

They certainly don't match up to Yes's 8 core studio albums ,but thank goodness for Trevor Rabin and his tremendous contribution to the Yes legacy.Without these fine albums,the band Yes may have folded long ago,and the 10 subsequent albums that came after,all worthy of the name Yes,might not even exist which includes such masterpieces as Keys to Ascention 1&2 and Yes Sympnonic Live.Plus there are a ton of new songs,I have never heard a bad Yes album or even one that doesn't contain the "Yes magic".90125 and Big Generator are fabulous albums.The joke attached to these albums is this : Some young kid states,"I think Yes are one of the greatest bands of all time.Their albums 90125 and Big Generator are just the greatest,aren't they!"And the kid is too young to be aware of such famous masterpieces as Fragile,Close to the Edge and all the rest.That is the only possible situation where those 2 albums could be considered a joke.As long as you're not in the same situation of that hypothetical(or even real)young kid,there is absolutely no reason to be ashamed of those albums at all.Enjoy them as you do the rest,because thet are indeed enjoyable and a true Yes purist would realize that and also of the iimportance of thoses albums,which was the continuation of the band,90125 giving them tremendous financial success and a whole new generation of Yes fans.

raeloneq wrote: Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out if I should hate or love 90125 and Big Generator. I know it departs from the classic Yes sound that we all love. But, it opens a door to a new sound that is quite enjoyable. I for one love these 2 albums.  But hanging out with Yes purists makes me wonder if I should.  Would you have the same feeling for these 2 albums if they would have been called "cinema" and if Jon Anderson was not present? I guess they wouldn't be listed as progressive albums anymore.  I really would like to hear your opinions on this.

Seriously, they put a * in the middle of the word Sl*g now??????

.......If you ask me that's f**king ridiculous! 

thehallway wrote: Snow Dog wrote: raeloneq wrote: One more thing. Is it ok to assume that everyone here finds "Open Your Eyes"  to be your least favorite Yes album? I like it a lot. You have a wonderful sense of humour!

Snow Dog wrote: raeloneq wrote: One more thing. Is it ok to assume that everyone here finds "Open Your Eyes"  to be your least favorite Yes album? I like it a lot.

You have a wonderful sense of humour!

Snow Dog wrote:   I especially like the 9012 live VHS/ DVD. Rabin is awesome on all the songs including the old ones. Starship trooper is amazing.

Agreed, personally I like Talk Tour the most (despite the inferior receord quality), I think Rabin still have grown during the years. From the old era for example And You And I (he plays into on the piano, then repeats on acoustic 12-string in the middle), Heart of Sunrise or Perpetual Change are great renditions. Even Tony Kaye plays Wakeman parts really well.

I love 90125 and for me it's one of the best albums ever made. Definitely in my top 10 of favourite albums.

lazland wrote: I think 90125 is an incredible album, but Big Generator a huge disappointment

I personally love them both and "Talk" even more.

 In my opinion Trevor is a great guitar players and he brought his modern sound to Yes, not to mention that he sings a lot as well. I remember listening to these albums back in the 80's, when information about equipment (well, here in Brazil) was hard to get.

I was astonished by the sounds Trevor could cry out of his guitar, especially when Yes played at Rock In Rio in January 1985, he did all those great sounds live in front of me, blowing my mind off and opening a new horizon for my own guitar playing (accuracy, good taste and so on).

However, if you look into these albums with a 2011 mind, they may sound too poppy or outdated, but at the time of release they were indeed something very elaborated and complex, taking into consideration the terrible pop scene of that era.

Love them! That's an order..

Why seek others approval? Do you like them or not? There's no obligation either way..