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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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Have any of you also gained the impression over the last few years that 'Prog' in the general view has almost started to become synonymous with 'backward'?
If you've also gotten this impression, how do you think this has come about and what would be necessary to remedy it?
Personally I'm stumped.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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As far as I can see it's always been synonomous with pretense, pomposity and a general sense of being 'un-cool' It's also percieved to be boring and music of a 'best forgotten' age..
To be honest, I know people who think The Eagles are prog rock. Most people under the age of 40 dont actually know what it is anyway. There is no remedy for the problem really. The first things the masses have always looked for in music, are whether you can sing along, and whether you can dance to it. You cant really do either to prog rock after one listen, so it was always going to be a minority thing. I wouldn't let you get you down.. |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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The public are probably unaware of it until some ill-informed pundit mouths off in the media - when they too often demonstrate they have not heard any prog. At least recently I've seen a handful of reviews of albums and even singles, where the critic mentions the word 'prog' or 'proggie', without need for negative comments. As long as the public have the likes of Simon Cowell providing guidance as to music taste - what was Kevin Gilbert's line, "the tasteless advising the bland" - prog will be culture-shock. Cowell's Desert Island Disc choices, says it all wrt lack of musical imagination:
1. Mack the Knife
Performer Bobby Darin Composer Weill/Brecht/Blitzstein CD Title BBC Radio Two Songs of the Century Track 16 Label Global Television Rec No: RADCD 119 2. This Guy's in Love with You Performer Herb Alpert Composer Burt Bacharach/Hal David CD Title Herb Alpert/Definitive Hits Track 12 Label A & M Rec No: 4908862 3. She Performer Charles Aznavour Composer Kretzner/Aznavour CD Title The Best of Charles Aznavour Track 1 Label Premier Rec No: PRMTVCD4 4. Unchained Melody Performer The Righteous Brothers Composer North.Zaret CD Title The All time Greatest Love Songs Track Cd2 trk 19 Label Sony Mood Rec No: CD86 5. Danke Schoen Performer Wayne Newton Composer Kaempfert Gabler-Schwabach CD Title Wild, Cool & Swingin':Wayne Newton Track 20 Label Capitol Rec No: 5203322 6. If You're Not the One Performer Daniel Bedingfield Composer Daniel Bedingfield CD Title If you're Not the One Track 1 Label Polydor Rec No: 0658632 7. Summer Wind Performer Frank Sinatra Composer Mayer/Mercer CD Title Frank Sinatra: Strangers in the Night Track 2 Label Reprise Rec No: 9010172 8. Mr Bojangles Performer Sammy Davis Jr Composer Jerry Jeff Walker CD Title Viva Las Vegas Track Cd1 trk 4 Label Universal Music TV Rec No: 5856452 Record: Mack the Knife Book: Hollywood Wives by Jackie Collins Luxury: A mirror |
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Chicapah ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8238 |
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That's why this site is here, my friend. We may be perceived as backwards or just plain "weird" but that's okay. We should have Tee shirts that read "Prog and Proud!"
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sean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1155 |
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I think the general public will always have a negative but uninformed view of prog rock as long as the likes of Rolling Stone, American Idol, and Clear Channel are sill in control of public taste. They will not allow it to be heard, and when it is heard it is degraded as pompous and empty.
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Norbert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 20 2005 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
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Most people I know have no idea what progressive rock is, but in case of "easier" bands they may be rather receptive.
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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Dick Heath: Is that list for real or is it just some horrible, horrible form of slander? I find it unbelievable that anyone should openly declare that lot for the bee's knees. Is that Cowell guy an about 90 year old veteran boy-soldier from the first world war?
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20072 |
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Unlike metal, jazz, punk, rap, hip-hop etc, prog is not a generally recognised genre amongst the general public, so I don't think most people would consider it "backward". As for Simon Cowell, he thinks Robson and Jerome are great, so what can you say? |
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T.Rox ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 06 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
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Edited by T.Rox - February 12 2008 at 10:10 |
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Prog has almost become synonymous with backward over the last few years? This moronic attitude has been going on since the '70's. I remember critics calling prog pretentious when it was really the critics that were pretentious. What's the old saying? Those that can do and those that can't criticize? You gotta know what you like and like what you know and if they don't know, then screw them. Edited by Slartibartfast - February 12 2008 at 20:58 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Nightfly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 01 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3659 |
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Mention Prog to the average person on the street and they wont have a clue what you're talking about. I have my music loving friends and also a group of friends met through my wife via the kids who's musical taste is in X Factor territory. They've asked me what sort of music I like but ultimately fail to grasp what it is. The proof was when they were talking about all of us going to see a Drifters tribute and naturally I declined and one of them replied "You stick to your Status Quo Paul".
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iguana ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 825 |
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saw a shirt once, worn by a roadie on the vans warped tour, which said I HATE ALL YOUR FAVOURITE BANDS. coolness redefined. gotta have that! as to the subject – with porcupine tree, tool, oceansize, the mars volta etc. going strong and being pretty open to their prog roots i see a strong tendency that the music is about to lose it's retro and backwards image for the time being. as long as people avoid using ol' yes, genesis, ELP etc. as references for now, it might help to re-establish prog rock big time. |
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Sh!t, that list has terrified me, one decent song by Frank Sinatra, Charles Aznavour, who most of us won't like him but has voice..... but the rest ???
But even Sinatra and Aznavour have better tracks, but what can you expect of the taste of a man responsible of a karaoke contest?
1.- Bobby Darin is one of the worst singers ever, no voice quality or compositional skills, his greatest achievement was marrying Sandra Dee.
2.- Herp Albert: A good musician wasted because of his fanatism for easy listening music.
3.- Danke Schoen: Simply is embarrassing track by a mediocre crooner wnnabe without voice, charisma or anything
BTW: Has anybody noticed that nobody in the list except Daniel Bedingfield writes his stuff?
Please......Wayne Newton Iván |
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laplace ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
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A lot of metalheads, or at least the ones I used to hang around with, have a sort of private awe and respect for progressive rock but never listen to it themselves.
To the public, jazz is laughably insular, classical is music you listen to while you're doing something else, hard rock is for bikers, dance is for E-heads and blues is for old men. But then, who asked them? |
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laplace ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
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Oh, and as for how to improve prog's PR, the people who insert "guitar god" moments into music documentaries and always pick Jimmy Page or Brian May just need to be reminded about Robert Fripp's short solo on "The Night Watch" - ten seconds of beauty which would wake up a million minds! =P
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everyone ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2008 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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I worked in record retail for many years and the few people actually that bought any prog were some of our most loyal customers. These customers actually spent time in the store and asked us questions about the music and were more open minded. We just opened the record or cd and played the music "over the top." 99% of the customers followed trends. They thought we should be playing what they heard on the radio. We played music our customers would never hear anywhere else. You could walk into the store and hear southern gospel backed up with prog and then hear rap.
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khammer99 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 21 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 157 |
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All this consternation of wither prog is backward or popular or whatever is really not very helpful to anyone. I know this is for discussion purposes, but does it really matter to you if the public, or your friends or whoever is going to know or even like what you listen too? Look at the list of sub-genres for prog. I was listening to prog as a teenager in the 70's and didn't even know it!
![]() It seems to me, many people on this forum what it both ways; To be listening to something nobody has ever heard of before, to give them some sense of superiority, and then have it become popular, to validate the fact that they were listening to "cool" music and they are not "weirdos." Just put the music on, crank it up, and enjoy. |
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King Crimson776 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 12 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2779 |
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Dude, I don't know if you've noticed, but no one really thinks about prog like that anymore. When punk came out it was like that for a little bit, but time has shown what is timeless. Most people who hear prog recognize it's quality. What's popular right now is backward.
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Proletariat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
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Most people dont care, but among indie hipsters and the more intelligent metal heads, and especially among fans of "stoner music" it finds respect
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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