Transition of Prog rock

This has always been a question that I have asked myself. I am a young prog rock fan that has grown up with parents that have been devoted fans of bands such as Yes and Genesis(gaberial years). I have always wonderd that in other forms of music during that time period have grown into forms of music that are very present in music scenes right now. Like how the Grateful Dead have basically created a entire genre of music that has followed up and continues to produce good music such as: THe string cheese incident, phish and widespread panic. I feel that with the complex instumental talents of bands such as Yes and Genesis that this would be able to push people to play this type of music.  I understand that bands like transatlantic, spocks beard and the flower kings have produced amazing music, yet i feel there should be a more broad base of a prog movement. Another question I propose is also , why didnt a band like Yes play shows were they would play solos and "jam" like the grateful dead? P.S. sorry for all of the grateful dead refrences, im not exactley a fan of there music, but more of there musicianship and there ablility to "jam" or produce such well played solos. thanks

you heard any of King Crimsons spontaneous stuff?    ..THRaKaTTaK comes to mind

I don't find jamming good or bad in itself. Same thing with its absence. On one hand, I'm quite fond of bands that make a true art form or even a religion out of jamming (Can, Deep Purple, Hawkwind, King Crimson and so on...) but on the other hand there's a band like Captain Beyond. What I like so much about them is that they've got all the signature changes and playing around with rhythms that are typical of progressive rock - but on their selftitled at least, their songwriting is just so tight and concise and they make this idea of short but complex songs work. It's as seamless a cross between prog and standard 1960s/1970s hard rock as you'll ever find.

Well, I like the middle section of America, Yes should have done more imo. There is some "jamming" evident in live versions of Starship Trooper for instance, although this is over a fixed chord sequence. There are probably other examples but I often feel they could do more. Rush is another example of a band that tends to replicate studio versions note for note, in Peart's case he often replicates his drumming as well. On the odd occasion they have jammed, they do it well.

You don't have to apologize for mentioning the Dead, imho.  They are not my favorite band but I still like them and have a good collection of Dick's Picks.   When I'm in the mood to kick back and listen to some jammin they are my  first choice.  I always will wonder what they would  have been like without all the drugs.  And how good Jerry would have been if he hadn't been high on herione all the time.  Guess we'll nvever know.  They could play some good space rock at times.

The only thing I don't like about jamming is it tends to turn into a noodling session after so long.  And, it can become rather tedious which at time can lose an audience.  The jam band needs to realize when to stop in order to keep things interesting.  Jazz  musicians also have a tendency to noodle a tad bit too long.  Cheers!!

Darklord55 wrote: The only thing I don't like about jamming is it tends to turn into a noodling session after so long.  And, it can become rather tedious which at time can lose an audience.  The jam band needs to realize when to stop in order to keep things interesting.  Jazz  musicians also have a tendency to noodle a tad bit too long.  Cheers!!

One man's "noodling" is another man's paradise. Prog bands are routinely accused of "noodling" in the mainstream media. There's plenty of "noodling" on Steve Hillage and National Health albums - and I just can't get enough of it!

Atavachron wrote: you heard any of King Crimsons spontaneous stuff?    ..THRaKaTTaK comes to mind

And, of course, the Great Deciever box set ( live 73-74 ).

fuxi wrote: Prog bands are routinely accused of "noodling" in the mainstream media.

Yeah, and if they go out of their way to keep the jamming focused they get accused of "droning on". (Hawkwind's probably the best example here)

NoEarthlyCon, I suggest you hang around the archives for a while, you'll see that the musical base of prog these days is incredibly diverse. There may still be bands like Transatlantic, Spocks Beard and The Flower Kings, but you have the likes of Taal, White Willow, Dream Theater, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Kayo Dot just to name a few that are quite different.

Sleeper, I admited that there is progressive rock stil present, but not relavent like other bands from other genres that are similair to prog rock. And no offense to your personal taste, yet i dont consider metal progressive rock, it just doesnt fit my ear.