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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8832 |
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I did not get much response on my thread for Triumvirat's debut, so am trying one with their most successful album, their third studio effort, from 1975, Spartacus. Easily rock music's greatest concept album, a story based on the famous gladiator who led a revolt against what was a decadent and cruel Imperial Rome. It is one of my top three albums of all time, and a winner, instrumentally, vocally, lyrically, and conceptually. Lead vocalist/Bassist and 6 string guitarist the late Helmut Koellen shines here, especially, and is more than amply aided by Juergen Fritz's astounding keyboard work, and Hans Bathelt's powerhouse drumming. A real tour de force! What do others think of this album?
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4596 |
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Bought this one in the 1st couple of years of discovering prog. Still love it and give it a spin from time to time, though I like Illusions on a Double Dimple better
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19344 |
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Spartacus and Old Loves Die Hard represent the zenith of Triumvirat's viability as a prog rock band — being their own band, rather. The first two albums are ELP wannabe records, to varying degrees. But Spartacus is exceptional and does boast a magnificent title track.
Now, is it "easily" rock's best concept album? It's a very good one, but there are many fantastic concept albums out there, and while Spartacus may be better than a good number of them, it's still a debate that would take a few pages of discussion to wring out, were there enough interested parties.
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8832 |
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Apart from the album's instrumental prowess, the thing that I think makes Spartacus the greatest rock conceptual epic is the lyrical writing; the lyrics are very "to the point", and not a single word or phrase is out of place or wasted, and you really get the story of Spartacus in a convincing and "real life" way. Triumvirat were the first German rock band to make a strong impact in North America, with Spartacus cracking the Top 30 at position 27, and it is an example of how music is truly the universal language, and breaks down barriers between cultures and society.
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9173 |
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I always loved "March to the City", which got a lot of airplay in Montreal back in the day. So did the title cut, which I found a bit too frenetic but enjoyed it well enough depending on my mood. I don't recall hearing the rest of the album, so I should give it a listen. I did enjoy "Old Loves Die Hard" very much, as I felt it struck a pleasant balance between complex and accessible and I think it was more their own sound. Doug, what do you think of Rolling Stone including "Illusions on a Double Dimple" in the top 50 prog albums of all time list? It's great that they included Triumvirat but would you agree with that choice?
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8832 |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19344 |
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That's awesome, but Kraftwerk beat them to the punch a year earlier when Autobahn (still regarded as a Krautrock record) reached No. 5 in the Billboard Top 200. I take no pleasure in saying that, nor in pointing out that Tangerine Dream, one of my all-time favorite bands, didn't mount a North American tour till several years after Kraftwerk's 1975 US tour (thanks to Phonogram backing them following the success of Autobahn).
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9173 |
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yes I thought Autobahn was a bit earlier, but wasn't sure if perhaps Illusions was an earlier chart record, though obviously it didn't reach #5! Actually, didn't Nektar's "remember the Future" hit the US top 10 in 1973? Now, their leader was British but the rest of the band was German I believe
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19344 |
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They were all Brits: Roye Albrighton, Taff Freeman, Derek Moore and Ron Howden. They did form the band in Germany, but they're regarded as English prog. But yes, Remember the Future and Down to Earth both charted in the Top 20/40 in '73-74.
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9173 |
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^thx!
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8832 |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19344 |
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Just the fact these albums charted in those days is a win!
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8832 |
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Old Loves Die Hard charted in America in 1976, but just reached position 85 in the album charts. Under-rated, and a fantastic record, though.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19344 |
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I agree!
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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A treasured addition back in the 70s and I still go it often. Very often! The aura is spectacular, the playing is dizzying in technique and emotion. In my Top 10 all time . Enough said
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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BTW, Old Loves Die Hard, Illusions and even Pompeii were masterful. The debut ain't bad either!
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18572 |
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Hi,
Pres ... are you trying to lock me up into listening to these things again? At least, my roomie at the time actually played these albums on the air ... something that can not be said for most of the "progressive" wannabee's.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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All personal opinion, obviously.
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8832 |
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That is interesting that your roomie played Triumvirat; I was kind of late to the party on this band, never having heard them until 1985, and it is fascinating for me to read and hear about what was going on with them in their hey day in the seventies. I have never actually heard them on the radio in my entire life, which is a shame.
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