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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20057 |
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He is a good drummer but for me he always has a terrible drum sound, particulary the snare.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Correct. Funny you mention Leprosy, that drum sound is EXACTLY what I was talking about. The reverb is so bad it sounds like it was recorded IN a metal foundry. If that was the goal, they nailed it. Bill Andrews and Terry Butler both suck immensely as a rhythm section, death metal or not. Chuck had to play all the bass lines on Leprosy because Butler was so inept. Good riddance to that terrible line up.
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Danny Carey is actually very good, I'm not a Tool listener but Carey is very talented.
A bad drummer means, to me, they cannot keep time or rhythm with the bass player. This would throw off the whole band in most cases, a band would notice this quickly and make changes. Nick Mason was an excellent percussionist, I don't regard him as a stellar drummer but he does other things that made impact to Pink Floyd music. His sound is what I really enjoy, he has a deep emotional drum sound.
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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Oh, you mention Nick Mason - he ain’t the most technical drummer out there, but he’s a perfect fit for Floyd. I recall back when I was 15, watching Live at Pompeii, and thinking ‘whoa, this is the best drummer I’ve ever seen/heard’......I wouldn’t call him ‘bad’ at all. Edited by Tom Ozric - February 22 2019 at 18:17 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Have to agree with this as by the time the band reached the Who Are You album, Keith was a sorry, spent force barely capable of following even his own chaotic inner pulse. Good bands with bad drummers? Queen - Roger Taylor Pink Floyd - Nick Mason Velvet Underground - Maureen Tucker the Cure - Lol Tolhurst Talking Heads - Chris Frantz Bad bands with good drummers? Tool - Danny Carey
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She can't seem to grasp the middle section (after the halt) on "Roundabout" correctly, the timing, etc., but she's good for her age.
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Roger Taylor was better than it seems, it's not that easy to play those quirky Mercury songs from the golden era.
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I think i like Roger Tylor more live than on album. He sounds dull on album but when one see him live one realise hes a great drummer.
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Ringo Starr was a good drummer!
About the Ringo solo in The End. It was not a real solo. He did not want to do it. So they deceived him. They did a piece playing guitar solos (as we hear in Anthology 3) and Ringo accompanied the solos. Then they removed the guitar solo from the mix, so that only the Ringo drums could be heard. And here's to you the Ringo solo.
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5160 |
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I was going to mention Mick Pointer too, he is very solid but lacks finesse and inspiration.
The most ruined albums because of poor drums were all those guitar shredder heroes albums from the 80s and 90s where only the guitarist was killer but had terrible rhythm sections, some even drum machines (Satrianis and co). |
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Bill Andrew (Death 1987-1990) is the most archetypal-good-enough-metal-drummer that ever existed.
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There was a rather interesting thread on him called "Mick Pointer: Great drummer or GREATEST drummer?" http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37632 12 years ago already? Seems much more recent to me. Time flies when you're having "stun". |
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20057 |
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I'm sure there are drummers who can play them (I can't see any of these videos as YouTube is blocked at work). My point is that his drumming is more complex than a lot of people think.
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To me, Moon is like a guitarist that just can't come out of "lead" mode. Every song is like a drum solo beginning to end with just enough foundation to keep the band happy. While it might seem tough for the guitars to imagine playing with a drummer like that, once used to it, I bet it was somewhat liberating for everyone. One of the things I love about The Who.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19334 |
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Marillion's first drummer, Mick Pointer, was apparently let go because he wasn't very good. I think he improved later on with Arena though. I haven't heard that first album in a long time so can't really comment much but that's what I've heard.
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20057 |
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Moony is in a class of his own, whether it's a good one or a bad one I'm not sure. If you watch him play, even his style and the way he holds the sticks is weird. I just say he has a unique style. I've just read Daltrey's autobiography and he does says how wrong it felt playing with Kenney Jones after Moon died.
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