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    Posted: February 21 2019 at 12:24
Drummers you don't care for, doesn't matter how you define it. Playing style (not personality)..

Most of my favorite bands seem to have good drummers, or at least someone competent. This might take me a while to think of someone.
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Not bad, and I'm not referring to a band's full discography. This drummer's performance I found competent but pedestrian, and I find it to be a step down from an interesting drumming perspective as compared to the previous albums.   So I'm doing album more than band.

I'm thinking of Focus with Hamburger Concerto. Colin Allen is a competent drummer and this is what was wanted by I think both Thijs van Leer and Jan Akkerman (Thijs more perhaps -- I'm going on memory here).   I think that Hamburger Concerto is a brilliant album, but I do miss the jazzy creativity of Pierre Pierre van der Linden on the earlier albums. I actually don't know how creative a drummer Allen is, as they wanted a more straightforward rock drumming approach for Hamburger Concerto, but I do think that the album would have benefited (at least to my ears) had they kept Pierre van der Linden.

Sorry that I haven't exactly answered your question, but that's what came to mind. Flame away....

EDIT: An Nick Mason isn't a very good drummer technically, but I still like Pink Floyd. "He couldn't drum his way out of a paper bag" I seem to remember someone saying either about Mason or Ringo Starr. Thinking... I seem to remember Ian Anderson saying that of Nick Mason, or some such thing, but my recollection could be in error.

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^The version I'm familiar with is “couldn't improvise their way out of a paper bag” - Miles Davis on the classically-trained musicians he originally hired for Sketches of Spain
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^The version I'm familiar with is “couldn't improvise their way out of a paper bag” - Miles Davis on the classically-trained musicians he originally hired for Sketches of Spain


^ Lovely. I love Sketches of Spain and hadn't heard that Davis saying. I could imagine a classical musician thinking, "Davis really should have come more prepared" or "He really should have spent more time rehearsing."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 13:59
It's funny that John Bonham was full of self-doubt. He was concerned that his playing was not on par with his bandmates. 

I have a musician friend who thinks Artimus Pyle kinda sucks. 

Mick Fleetwood doesn't strike me as highly original or mindblowing, but he isn't "bad." 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 15:34
I can't think of any 'good bands' with a 'bad drummer'....but I dont care for Henley from the Eagles...but are they a good band?
I also think Ringo was very mediocre though I know others claim he was a good drummer and Watts from The Stones always seems to lay down the same beat no matter what the song was...but again people claim he's a good drummer.....so maybe I just don't know enough about drumming.

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The classical example is Novalis. Lutz Rahn is a great keyboarder, Detlev Job very good on guitar, and the band as a whole has a number of very good tasteful and original albums that I like a lot. Hartwig Biereichel however doesn't seem to be able to do anything else than plain and straight; I think on a personal and "organisational" level he was quite important for the band, but his drumming was probably just tolerated; the bass isn't their strong point either.
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I don't hate Alan White but I think he's the most plain vanilla drummer I've ever heard.  Coming after Bill Bruford that's not good.   I really don't care for Neil Peart.  Imo he's one of the most overrated musicians in music. (Oh, and I don't care much for Rush as a band either)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2019 at 03:45
Here are some albums that were sorta ruined by sub-par drumming (not bad drumming but not the virtuoso level you'd expect in prog)
Todd Rundgren - Something Anything*
Exodus - The Most Beautiful Day
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Metallica - St. Anger xDDDDD

*it was a one-man band thing but still
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2019 at 03:51
Ive seen fotage from Eagles from before and Don can to difficult stuff. Though he aint a virtouse jazz drummer. He stil is solid and makes
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I also think Ringo was very mediocre
 
That's an often repeated opinion, but I've yet to come across a drummer who can play "Ticket to Ride" or "Get Back" anything near the way Ringo played them.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I also think Ringo was very mediocre
 
That's an often repeated opinion, but I've yet to come across a drummer who can play "Ticket to Ride" or "Get Back" anything near the way Ringo played them.


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Simon King of Hawkwind wasn't a great time keeper, and his fills were sometimes scrappy. This is a contraversial view among Hawkfans who generally seem to think he was great.

I'm also going to stick my neck out here and mention Keith Moon. He's not bad as such, but he's often credited with being in the same league as Bonham et al, and he's really not. He's very entertaining and played with great energy, but could be quite messy at times with dubious time keeping.

Mick Fleetwood, by his own admission, was a fairly mediocre drummer, certainly compared to some of his peers. You could argue that FM's music didn't really demand a John Bonham or Bill Bruford, and that's probably true. I remember him commenting on The Chain, saying that he felt he played it quite badly, and a better drummer would have come up with something better.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2019 at 07:27
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I also think Ringo was very mediocre
 
That's an often repeated opinion, but I've yet to come across a drummer who can play "Ticket to Ride" or "Get Back" anything near the way Ringo played them.


I have seen many clips by Sina and she is one of the finest drummers on youtube, perhaps the most vercetile ive ever seen in a long time







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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



I'm also going to stick my neck out here and mention Keith Moon. He's not bad as such, but he's often credited with being in the same league as Bonham et al, and he's really not. He's very entertaining and played with great energy, but could be quite messy at times with dubious time keeping.
 
Moony is in a class of his own, whether it's a good one or a bad one I'm not sure. If you watch him play, even his style and the way he holds the sticks is weird. I just say he has a unique style. I've just read Daltrey's autobiography and he does says how wrong it felt playing with Kenney Jones after Moon died.
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Marillion's first drummer, Mick Pointer, was apparently let go because he wasn't very good. I think he improved later on with Arena though. I haven't heard that first album in a long time so can't really comment much but that's what I've heard. 
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To me, Moon is like a guitarist that just can't come out of "lead" mode. Every song is like a drum solo beginning to end with just enough foundation to keep the band happy. While it might seem tough for the guitars to imagine playing with a drummer like that, once used to it, I bet it was somewhat liberating for everyone.  One of the things I love about The Who.
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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

[QUOTE=dr wu23]
I also think Ringo was very mediocre
 
That's an often repeated opinion, but I've yet to come across a drummer who can play "Ticket to Ride" or "Get Back" anything near the way Ringo played them.


I have seen many clips by Sina and she is one of the finest drummers on youtube, perhaps the most vercetile ive ever seen in a long time
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I'm sure there are drummers who can play them (I can't see any of these videos as YouTube is blocked at work). My point is that his drumming is more complex than a lot of people think.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Marillion's first drummer, Mick Pointer, was apparently let go because he wasn't very good. I think he improved later on with Arena though. I haven't heard that first album in a long time so can't really comment much but that's what I've heard. 


There was a rather interesting thread on him called "Mick Pointer: Great drummer or GREATEST drummer?" http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37632

12 years ago already? Seems much more recent to me. Time flies when you're having "stun".
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Bill Andrew (Death 1987-1990) is the most archetypal-good-enough-metal-drummer that ever existed.

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