Tolkien in Prog

Lozlan wrote: EDIT:  Anyone who thinks that Ralph Bakshi's horrible, horrible animated Lord of the Rings even remotely approaches the glory and eucatastrophe of Tolkien's masterpiece should be fed to a fuzzy-slipper-wearing Balrog.  Give me the animated Rankin-Bass Return of the King before you force me to endure such blinding crap.

moshkito wrote: chopper wrote: Just to correct you on Bakshi's cartoon. It wasn't condensed into an hour and a half, he never actually finished it.   http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077869/   That movie made the rounds big time and it wasn't perfect but it was fairly with it ... saw this in Santa Barbara along with another Chack cartoon film that won an Oscar at the time and the name fails me right now. It was very political.   The book that really had more music influenced to it and by it, was actually a take on an English novel called "The Snow Goose"", that would actually be just the one bit of music influenced by it then? What are the other ones apart from Camel?   Camel did not write "The Snow Goose" ... they interpreted it with music.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snow_Goose   My thoughts were that by the time "Snow Goose" came out by Camel, I kinda thought that folks here in America would think that Bach's Jonathan Livingston Seagull was better ... it was simpler, not better in my book.

Eärendil wrote: SaltyJon wrote: Eärendil wrote: There's a group called the Tolkien Ensemble that has set all of the poems and songs from the books- every single one- to music. It's actually pretty original for having the lyrics already written. Curses, my plans are ruined!  I've had a sort of dream for a while to set everything to music, but I lack the ability to write interesting music.   How is their stuff?  I'll have to check it out and see what kind of competition I'll have if I ever do get around to making my versions. It's a lot of folk and some chamber stuff. It's about 4 hours worth of music though so you'll have quite a job ahead of you. Go for it though    I got the 4 cd set from Amazon for about $40 a while ago, but now the cheapest there is $150. .  Youtube maybe?

Hmm...based on that description I'm definitely interested.  I'll have to try to find a copy for less than $150 though.

SaltyJon wrote: It's still available on the German Amazon for around $40 plus shipping.

I would recommend it then if you want to. It comes with all the lyrics printed and some sketches and stuff too.

Eärendil wrote: SaltyJon wrote: It's still available on the German Amazon for around $40 plus shipping.  I would recommend it then if you want to. It comes with all the lyrics printed and some sketches and stuff too.

Oh, I plan to check it out eventually, assuming I like the samples on the group's myspace and all that fun stuff.  Thanks for the heads up!

Lozlan wrote: moshkito wrote: Lozlan wrote: EDIT:  Anyone who thinks that Ralph Bakshi's horrible, horrible animated Lord of the Rings even remotely approaches the glory and eucatastrophe of Tolkien's masterpiece should be fed to a fuzzy-slipper-wearing Balrog.  Give me the animated Rankin-Bass Return of the King before you force me to endure such blinding crap. That's so sad ... to criticize a man taking a shot at puting something together that was vistually impossible. And the cartoon itself is not bad and featured some of the very first use of motion by humans to make the cartoons more realistic in their vision of the book.It may not have been great, at least compared to the opus done almost 30 years later, but the language of film did not have the ability or desire to create such a thing. That Bashki, defied the odds is commendable and deserves some credit. Where Tolkien is involved, I don't compromise.  I have a lot of fundamental problems with the Jackson films as well.

For background I started reading the Lord of the Rings in high school back in 1972 and have read almost everything of Tolkien's since.  I don't have problems with the Jackson films because it is impossible to bring the story as written to a shorter medium like film.  He did about as well as anyone could of.  I have some disagreements with some things but they are minor as compared  to retaining the spirit of the work which is where Bashki failed.  I understand his problems, time and money constraint.  I went to theater the day it was released hoping against hope to find something  that worked.  I was entirely disappointed with the film right after the hobbits left the shire. To this day I cannot watch that movie with out falling asleep. Don't even get me started about the low budget TV cartoons for the Hobbit and ROTK.  

Edited by Garion81 - November 11 2010 at 13:52

^Glad you get it Ronnie.  I seem to kill more threads with my posts than inspire new dialog. 

^ Not to mention Music Inspired by Lord of the Rings by Bo Hansson

^Thanks, Bo. You are Bo Hansson using the screen name Chris S, right?

Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - January 02 2011 at 21:38