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Walton Street ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 24 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 872 |
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2 - and only 2 things in music are dated.
the 80's drum machine as previously mentioned, and the do do doo do do do sound in Bad Company's Rock and Roll Fantasy contrary to popular belief, the cowbell is as contemporary as ever.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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You respond with such belittling sarcasm I now realize that I am in the presence of someone way beyond my humbleness!
But, Yawn, you are not very detailed are you, I suggest you being a pseudo psychiatrist and you respond with ” Eh ... a knee-jerk and arrogant comment. “ Spoken like a true professional loonie bin director. Thanks for proving my point, gospodin! Truth is you are a semi-clever slicer and dicer, millions more of you out there. So you know what, you are ABSOLUTELY right,
you are the light! Shine a little on us and guide us to the promised land ! |
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Walton Street ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 24 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 872 |
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didn't you say you were a Buddhist? |
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"I know one thing: that I know nothing"
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7590 |
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Jeez, what a grumpy thread!
![]() I'm not sure why some are arguing about H&H having a "dated" sound, I thought it was just fine in that era and has held up very well. One aspect that I didn't care for much was Dave Lambert's guitar phrasing on solos. He seemed to be more of a "straight ahead rock soloist" than prog guitarist, well-versed in scales, modes etc. Not that it is a bad thing, David Gilmour has a similar, blues-based style. However, I would have liked more Robert Fripp than Robert Johnson.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Yup, and my words prove it, always give the judge his own space to question himself. I accept his criticism, his opinion , his sarcasm and his insult with grace and humility. Even if he is wrong!
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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![]() Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 21 2015 at 12:54 |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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A 'sad young man' who does not even bother to remember what he said, tsk, tsk!
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Walton Street ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 24 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 872 |
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you guys do know that this is national hug day don't you?
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"I know one thing: that I know nothing"
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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![]() ![]() No hard feelings
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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^ Sure. There was a better way to end the previously ongoing discussion, but whatever. ... Ooh.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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I guess that this hallowed album has a lot of meaning for me, being my #1 all-time and one likes to defend the ones you love, a natural, very human instinct. Ah, passion, such a rare mellotron (read: instrument) in today's apathetic computer world!
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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[QUOTE=Dayvenkirq]
Steve said: "All music of a certain time period will be dated either through topical social commentary, instruments used, recording techniques and quarks like Jon Anderson's spiritual lyrics." Which I countered with "And under 'all music' do you also include Chopin and Bach?", thus expressing disagreement with Steve. So, no, I don't think it's dated. I think it's fresh as ever. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Now that the hoopla is past, I can answer your question regarding if I include Chopin and Bach under the term "all music". My answer would be yes in regards to Chopin and Bach's view toward older classical music. Franz Shubert was said to dislike the compositions of Antonio Vivaldi on the grounds of age as Vivaldi proceeded Shubert by approximately 100 years. We look at classical music, it's forerunners and it's variants with hundreds of years of hindsight and say things like "it's timeless". But that wasn't always the case. Especially when it was originally written. That's what I meant by "all music" is dated to some degree. But to get to the important point. I do not feel that you unjustly criticized the Hero and Heroine album, it has aspects that you don't like and that's perfectly fine with me. That's why they made juke boxes to play more than just one record. ![]() (Sorry for the strange format-editing problems.)
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Chris S ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
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how lame can you get ![]() ![]() So what if this album has a date stamp?? All music does, some more than others. Someone referenced 80's drum fills! Listen to Marillion..... Anyway, mellotrons or not a classic Strawbs release
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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^ Eh ... not with the bashing/namecalling again.
... Alright, "classic", yes. It does not date, ... certainly, it does not date. That's what I meant by "not dated".
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Their best effort. I particularly love the ending of "Silver Sun" or the return of it where the voices are going backwards which closes the album. I like the flow of the album.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Walton Street ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 24 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 872 |
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I loved this album so much that I was horribly disappointed by Nomadness when it came out (somehow I jumped right over Ghosts)
I've come to love Nomadness since and I've just recently become acquainted with Ghosts.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^Yes, Nomadness grew on me as later Strawbs albums got weaker. One of thier most progressive albums is the on again/off again reissue of 1978's Heartbreak Hill. The two best songs Starting Over and the great title track can be found on a new compilation titled Prognostic. They may be live versions from the Strawbs' 40th anniversary album vol. 2, which are as good as the studio originals.
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