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the_cartographer ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2025 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Soundatlas is a progressive rock project by Marc Volgers (guitars, bass, programming). Jinian Wilde (David Cross Band) is on vocals and Tom Rice on drums. Marc aims to write complex, yet catchy songs. The style can be described as prog with elements of metal, borrowing from all kinds of genres.
Soundatlas has serious plans to release an album, called The Cartographer. It's an ambitious album about someone who wants to map out the universe. This is an impossible task, and the journey is actually a metaphor for personal growth. The songs are written and one of the songs is recorded with Jin and Tom. This song, An Absurd Idea, introduces the story of the album and is a good showcase what you can expect. It has odd time signatures, a catchy chorus, a crazy middle section. The song can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvNkQy2zusE Now releasing an album costs money. The plan is to start crowdfunding the album by the end of April. If you want to stay updated, sign up on the pre-launch page: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/--3203925/coming_soon/x/3008215 Project site: https://www.soundatlas.nl Edited by the_cartographer - April 21 2025 at 06:35 |
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the_cartographer ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2025 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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I forgot, the website of the project is this: https://www.soundatlas.nl
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yam yam ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7465 |
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^ Listened to 'An Absurd Idea' on YouTube, and it sounds like ideal material for inclusion in our Crossover Prog sub genre. Keep us informed regarding the progress towards the launch of the full album, and as soon as it's released we'll evaluate your project for inclusion here.
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the_cartographer ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2025 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Thank you for your reply and you took the effort to listen to the song, much appreciated.
How would you define crossover prog? To be honest I never really bothered about exactly determining the genre, I just write songs I like and somehow fall (imho) under the prog umbrella. Although I think the song is a good introduction to the story and has several musical elements that are a good showcase, some other elements aren't as prominent. E.g. the instrumental opening overture has a spheric opening, bombastic riffs etc. all referencing songs later, there's a song in the whole tone scale that reminds (at least me) of King Crimson, more metal oriented song etc. - but maybe those example underline "crossover", so I'm curious to learn more about it. |
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yam yam ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7465 |
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Crossover Prog is a term that I believe was originally created by some of the early collaborators of this site, specifically for the purpose of categorising music on PA, and has gradually found its way into more general use over the years.
I would never try to define Crossover Prog myself, since I played no part in creating the term, but I do understand what they were trying to do when those early collaborators dreamt the term up. The official PA definition of Crossover Prog can be found here: https://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=3, and reads thus: Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive, may have a musical connection to popular music-- whether it be the lack of emphasis on extended compositions, or an influence from mainstream music in addition to classical, jazz and folk. Compositions, however, still exhibit a high degree of sophistication, sometimes outright complexity, and the musicianship and virtuosity is often on a par with established Prog acts. Much like their kin in the established prog sub-genres, these groups will incorporate many major parts of what defines prog rock: the fusing of rock with the structures and discipline of more traditional musics, the use of synthesizers and new technologies, intelligent thematics, and the expansion of the form. The defining characteristics of Crossover Prog are a pop music influence that is largely vacant in typical prog rock. Songs tend toward shorter, more concise presentations though still reach beyond the typical verse, bridge, chorus pattern. The harmonic, melodic, and rhythmic structures may be more easily digested in Crossover while not losing the musical integrity that a prog listener expects. Whereas Prog Related bands are generally commercial groups with certain prog elements or players that were involved in prog acts, Crossover Prog artists are predominantly progressive with elements of popular music. Not everybody agrees with the PA policy of trying to pigeonhole every artist into one specific sub genre, since the music of a good many artists is quite variable, and doesn't easily fit into one single sub genre as defined here on PA. However, we're stuck with this system of doing things now, so we have to adapt to its limitations as best we can. |
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the_cartographer ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2025 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Thank you, that's a helpful clarification. I bet there's has been much discussion on this, and I sure don't want to open a possible can of worms.
But as far as my music goes, I don't fully recognize it in this description. Based on "The defining characteristics of Crossover Prog are a pop music influence that is largely vacant in typical prog rock" the main question is how strong the "pop music influence" is. I can't deny there are some, but I hardly think they define my music, more function as an element to enrich it. I lean much more on my metal/prog influences in that sense. Also the argument of "extended compositions": I have written long songs, although on the planned album the average length is relatively short (6 min., ranging from 3-9 min, not including 2 short interludes). But many themes recur throughout the album, so I see it more as a whole and it made less sense to have a 25 min. epic. Either way, in the end it doesn't really matter what the exact genre is, but it does of course help if you're not put into a category you feel less comfortable with. |
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yam yam ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7465 |
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Yes, there is quite often a fair amount of discussion amongst collaborators about which of our sub genres would be most appropriate for an artist to be included in, and the category that you eventually end up in will depend upon how the album sounds as a whole. If the metal elements in the rest of the album turn out to be more pronounced than on 'An Absurd Idea', then you could end up in the Progressive Metal sub (or possibly Heavy Prog), and if there are elements of several other prog sub genres as well, then you could end up in Eclectic Prog. Crossover was just my first impression based on this one song. The sub genre that most progressive rock musicians seem to be uncomfortable with being placed in is Neo Prog. That one seems to be quite widely disliked for some strange reason.
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the_cartographer ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2025 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Oh that's interesting about neo prog. I haven't dug really deep into neo prog, but I have always liked bands like Marillion (although I only know the Fish era). I never had a negative connotation, although I know in some circles it's a bit looked upon. Didn't realize the extent.
I probably would think, based on the definition I found here, that heavy prog could be somewhat closer. I deliberately stay away from putting too much metal elements in (I have separate projects for that, my first band was thrash metal) but I write pretty much always guitar focused riff based initially. Melodies come almost always later and things like keys are more "decoration" to give more color to a song. So bands like Rush and King Crimson have been a much bigger influence on me than Yes and Genesis (although I like most 70's stuff a lot). And a band like ELP is for me too much keys focused so never "got me". From more modern prog I'm pretty much always leaning towards more guitar focused bands or at least bands where guitars are very prominent (think Haken, Pain of Salvation and pretty much anything Neal Morse prog related (his singer/songwriter and worship stuff...well... it would be better if those never saw the light imho🤣). Edited by the_cartographer - April 22 2025 at 11:58 |
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