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muffley_mirkin 
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 Topic: Tangerine Drean Vs Kraftwerk
Posted: November 17 2006 at 16:08 |
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TD, no contest!!!
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Posted: November 16 2006 at 11:27 |
 Ricochet wrote:
I am most certainly not. I expressed the two truths I know and believe in...
and just guaranteed to anyone daring enough to follow this long, interesting discussion...what's to be guaranteed.
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you are. you're still indicating Schulze in smaller fonts  . I like his works, too, btw...
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PM moi with the *chm (how do I operate with it, by the way), with the reminder of what's supposed to be.
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upcoming  (I cannot send the file via PM. I need your mail address) *.chm file is the sort of help files, found in almost every program. Instead, the sections are web pages, this enables to compile an entire site into one single file.
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And now, should we conclude this side discussion, in order to get back to real statistics?( which in three words, means "T D pawnage".  )
that, or simply expect someone else to post their opinion. 
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I vote for the latter, my friend .. as much as I enjoyed it...
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P.S.: I noticed I haven't actually voted in this poll (meaning to push the submit button over at the votes). Would it count anymore? |
You should... despite the fact that TD is a mile ahead  ; who klnows what tomorrow may bring  ?
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P.S. (one more): I think Ricochet'll stay, despite anything. 
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Hehe... I'm not really sure if it's possible to change it anyway. Thats why I'm here with my own name, that's something wich is the least likely to change through my entire life  (among all my tastes, musical inclinations, favorite bands/albums etc...)
now I leave the room for new votes and ideas....
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:49 |
Bilek wrote:
you're still on subtle word plays! 
this way you're gonna have to change your nick to Moondawn, Cyborg, or whatever your favorite Schulze album is
I admit the allusion towards the better side of their music, which they never explicitly admitted anyway! My point was the " sort of" part you also sensed, and I think I proved it in the end
my offer to send the *.chm file (to whoever wants) is still valid. It includes very interesting remarks on FAQ's, which are missing in the new version of the site as far as I could see... |
I am most certainly not. I expressed the two truths I know and believe in...
and just guaranteed to anyone daring enough to follow this long, interesting discussion...what's to be guaranteed.
PM moi with the *chm (how do I operate with it, by the way), with the reminder of what's supposed to be. And now, should we conclude this side discussion, in order to get back to real statistics?( which in three words, means "T D pawnage". ) that, or simply expect someone else to post their opinion. P.S.: I noticed I haven't actually voted in this poll (meaning to push the submit button over at the votes). Would it count anymore? P.S. (one more): I think Ricochet'll stay, despite anything.
Edited by Ricochet - November 16 2006 at 10:51
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Bilek
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Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:46 |
you're still on subtle word plays!
this way you're gonna have to change your nick to Moondawn, Cyborg, or whatever your favorite Schulze album is
I admit the allusion towards the better side of their music, which they never explicitly admitted anyway! My point was the " sort of" part you also sensed, and I think I proved it in the end
my offer to send the *.chm file (to whoever wants) is still valid. It includes very interesting remarks on FAQ's, which are missing in the new version of the site as far as I could see...
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:25 |
okay man!
Tangerine Dream rule!!!!!!!
just about after Klaus Schulze
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Edited by Ricochet - November 16 2006 at 10:27
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Bilek
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Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:21 |
^^ Read carefully what I had written: "they came close to admitting they might have made awful music " of course, you may not expect an artist to bash his own work, but their attitude to suggest their fans to " buy whatever they like" is sort of an admission that they might have done " not so good" music
I didn't say Ricochet is the best album (or best TD album) ever... (and you yourself admit that it is ) I made a reference to your nick, which surely reflects your admiration for TD, and still saying that they are "perhaps" the best band in progessive electronic genre!!! Man, look at the other members with band/artist/album name nicks: The Whistler almost adores Tull (represented in his signature), hammill admitted he could never be objective about VdGG (though he's missing from the forum about a year) etc... Why don't you just admit your affiliance with Tangerine Dream ?!?!? TD rules!
what a mixed post it is... in the first part I'm trying to prove TD sucks, and in the second part I say they rock 
Edited by Bilek - November 16 2006 at 10:33
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:02 |
Bilek wrote:
1. The »boring« and the »genious« TD decades
We are very often surprised how agressive some people argue against the newer TD releases and for the older ones. To make it absolutely clear, there is nothing wrong if someone dislikes the newer stuff. But there is a very simple and very effective solution to solve such »problems«: Just buy what you like!
No one can or will force you to spend your sour earned money on something you feel uncomfortable with. So nobody except you is taking your creditcard out of your briefcase and handles it over to the cashier's desk. It's as simple as that, isn't it?
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okay, I don't get the sense of Tangerine Dream saying they're "sucky". They only guide people to keep it quiet if they don't like it. Bilek wrote:
as for TD's being the best in their field: you have your nick from one of their (magnificent) albums, and you still say perhaps?!?!? shame on you! |
now, hold on, I never ever said that Ricochet isn't the best album ever (generally, that is).
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Bilek
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Posted: November 16 2006 at 02:59 |
^^It's a clever way of making reference .. You don't have to believe me in any case; I said they came close, not they admitted it . Here's the citation (from the "focus the facts" section in the early version of the official site - emphasis original...):
1. The »boring« and the »genious« TD decades
We are very often surprised how agressive some people argue against the newer TD releases and for the older ones. To make it absolutely clear, there is nothing wrong if someone dislikes the newer stuff. But there is a very simple and very effective solution to solve such »problems«: Just buy what you like!
No one can or will force you to spend your sour earned money on something you feel uncomfortable with. So nobody except you is taking your creditcard out of your briefcase and handles it over to the cashier's desk. It's as simple as that, isn't it?
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actually the writing goes on, but it twists in a way that it proves me wrong ... actually there are very interesting remarks and information in the FAQ section, which are not available in the present version of the site. I have the entire site (with the exception of forum, of course!) compiled in a *.chm file, along with a russian TD biography and a comprehensive fan site (Tangerine Realm - Stephan's Tangerine Dream Homepage). I can send the file to whoever wants, just frop me a PM and give your mail address... (the file is 7 MB's)
as for TD's being the best in their field: you have your nick from one of their (magnificent) albums, and you still say perhaps?!?!? shame on you! (as I said, it's a matter of opinion, and TD was the most popular in their field, and still the best -despite their "disliked" albums!- to my liking)
Edited by Bilek - November 16 2006 at 05:47
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: November 15 2006 at 09:39 |
Bilek wrote:
getting back to the topic:
ricochet: It's easy to understand some people hating both TD and KW, as well as the whole electronic scene in general, because most rockers (even proggers amongst them) take all kind of electronic driven music at face value, not giving heed to the psychedelic roots behind it: like the Ash Ra Tempel heritage in Schulze's music. Not to mention the fact that all artists/bands mentioned so far are acquired tastes. Not everyone is patient as much as you or me to acquire it ...
lastly: I boldly argue that Tangerine Dream is the very best in the field, having heard most of the stuff from every band in tuxon's list, as well as other renowned figures such as Vangelis and Jarre. Of course this is my humble opinion; but this is backed up by the fact that TD is at least the most popular band among all ...
I forgot to bring the chm file I mentioned; apparently they ommited that section from the site. I promise, I'll post the quote as soon as I find! |
till then, I won't believe you.
the very best? perhaps, perhaps not. they're nonetheless of an elite form.
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Posted: November 15 2006 at 03:59 |
You people are SO ghetto, Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk are both awesome!!!
A better poll would of been Tangerine Dream vs. Klaus Schulze or Kraftwerk vs. Yellow Magic Orchestra.
Edited by Trky_Lym - November 15 2006 at 04:05
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Posted: November 15 2006 at 02:49 |
^^ Popol Vuh electronic!?!?!?!?!?
you must not have looked beyond their second album ...
getting back to the topic:
ricochet: It's easy to understand some people hating both TD and KW, as well as the whole electronic scene in general, because most rockers (even proggers amongst them) take all kind of electronic driven music at face value, not giving heed to the psychedelic roots behind it: like the Ash Ra Tempel heritage in Schulze's music. Not to mention the fact that all artists/bands mentioned so far are acquired tastes. Not everyone is patient as much as you or me to acquire it ...
lastly: I boldly argue that Tangerine Dream is the very best in the field, having heard most of the stuff from every band in tuxon's list, as well as other renowned figures such as Vangelis and Jarre. Of course this is my humble opinion; but this is backed up by the fact that TD is at least the most popular band among all ...
I forgot to bring the chm file I mentioned; apparently they ommited that section from the site. I promise, I'll post the quote as soon as I find!
Edited by Bilek - November 15 2006 at 02:50
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 20:53 |
Kraftwerk, but only because I like cycling.
both are great actually, Germany hosts many great electronic bands of which TD and Kraftwerk are just 2 amongst many, though arguable they are amongst the best in the field (not forgetting bands like Cluster, Schulze, Popul Vuh, Neu!(which is a spring off band of kraftwerk really) and some others I do not dare to mention since others will if required).
It's great music if you like it.
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 18:57 |
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Tangerine Dream by miles and miles. They are far more atmospheric, and not as repetetive as Kraftwerk.
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 16:00 |
who voted for "hate", by the way? 
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 15:59 |
richardh wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Bilek wrote:
I'll find the relevant page in their site (in the early version, I have it in a chm file!) and post here... maybe I can find it in the new version as well... It's in FAQ section.
meanwhile, I might have the chance to reconsider the albums you listed (bar Mars Polaris and Dante trilogy, which I don't have  )... maybe my attitude changes, eh? (but not about Tyger, Shy People and all the surrounding dreadful stuff  ) |
Tyger isn't that bad.
And I never said the Melrose Years or the early Seattle are fantastic. They're actually a real recoil, yes.
But once started on the late 90s and on the millenium style (studio new material, that is), there's room to talk about music.
Oh, forgot Goblin's Club.
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Tyger is a good album..the last one TD made that I can enjoy.Goblins Club starts well but descends into the sort of aimless nonsense that littered so many later TD albums.That said I did enjoy TD when I saw them play live about 10 years ago. |
Goblin's Club is full of sense, those pieces may have simply...let you cold. a better creation nonetheless than 70% of the 90s music. 
Edited by Ricochet - November 14 2006 at 16:00
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 15:56 |
Ricochet wrote:
Bilek wrote:
I'll find the relevant page in their site (in the early version, I have it in a chm file!) and post here... maybe I can find it in the new version as well... It's in FAQ section.
meanwhile, I might have the chance to reconsider the albums you listed (bar Mars Polaris and Dante trilogy, which I don't have )... maybe my attitude changes, eh? (but not about Tyger, Shy People and all the surrounding dreadful stuff ) |
Tyger isn't that bad.
And I never said the Melrose Years or the early Seattle are fantastic. They're actually a real recoil, yes.
But once started on the late 90s and on the millenium style (studio new material, that is), there's room to talk about music.
Oh, forgot Goblin's Club.
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Tyger is a good album..the last one TD made that I can enjoy.Goblins Club starts well but descends into the sort of aimless nonsense that littered so many later TD albums.That said I did enjoy TD when I saw them play live about 10 years ago.
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 15:08 |
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Tangerine Dream
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In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 13:20 |
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kraftwerk is repetitive and simple, i prefer tangerine dream
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 13:20 |
Bilek wrote:
I'll find the relevant page in their site (in the early version, I have it in a chm file!) and post here... maybe I can find it in the new version as well... It's in FAQ section.
meanwhile, I might have the chance to reconsider the albums you listed (bar Mars Polaris and Dante trilogy, which I don't have )... maybe my attitude changes, eh? (but not about Tyger, Shy People and all the surrounding dreadful stuff ) |
Tyger isn't that bad. And I never said the Melrose Years or the early Seattle are fantastic. They're actually a real recoil, yes. But once started on the late 90s and on the millenium style (studio new material, that is), there's room to talk about music. Oh, forgot Goblin's Club.
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 13:12 |
I'll find the relevant page in their site (in the early version, I have it in a chm file!) and post here... maybe I can find it in the new version as well... It's in FAQ section.
meanwhile, I might have the chance to reconsider the albums you listed (bar Mars Polaris and Dante trilogy, which I don't have )... maybe my attitude changes, eh? (but not about Tyger, Shy People and all the surrounding dreadful stuff )
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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