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Morsenator
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 13 2009 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 397 |
Topic: Seventh Wonder Posted: June 24 2012 at 05:42 |
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Thanks. Sounded quite nice, I think I'll check that one first, then |
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crimson87
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 03 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1818 |
Posted: June 23 2012 at 20:02 | ||||||||
C'mon. You gotta realize that English is not the mother tongue of the world. There are several languages around the globe. And the way I see it , this site is not called "The Anglo Saxon Progressive Rock Archives" It's meant to reunite people all around the world and some of the best prog reviewers and collaborators come from non English speaking countries. So in the end you have to be thankful that you were born in an English speaking country so you don't have the necesity to know other languages to get a job in most occasions.
Besides unless you are a relative to SW bandmembers I don't think there is the need to worry that much about stuff like plagiarism (let's rephrase it with "ridiculously influenced by" so we do not hurt anybody's sensibilities.)
Sorry if I was a bit too harsh but that's my POV.
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CCVP
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: June 23 2012 at 19:48 | ||||||||
I'm certain of it. Big Elf got a huge deal of attention just because Mike Portnoy decided to give the ma hand.
Oh man. . . . He means the Swede band Europe, famous for songs such as Final Countdown.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 18:14 | ||||||||
With all due respect, don't say "plagiarism" unless you intend to make a serious accusation. Edited by dtguitarfan - June 23 2012 at 18:14 |
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 18:14 | ||||||||
Who are you thinking? Someone from Norway? |
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CCVP
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:34 | ||||||||
With all the due respect, you are overreacting. A lot.
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lucas
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:33 | ||||||||
yes, besides Dream Theater, another obvious influence is a band from their own country, Europe.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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lucas
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:31 | ||||||||
^Mercy Falls, best introduction to the band :
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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dtguitarfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:28 | ||||||||
Oooh, tough call - just don't listen to the first album "Become" first. I've explained in this thread why. I think you're in a good position to enjoy these guys as I see some things in your list of ratings, such as Dream Theater and Darkwater. But here's a rundown of what exactly are the best points of each album in my opinion: Waiting in the Wings - this is kind of an "AOR" situation, as I understand "AOR" to mean, which I might not fully. But none of the songs have anything to do with each other, they're more part of a collection, like an artist's gallery, and the band does a great job of showing off their virtuosity in this album. Mercy Falls - a concept album. A WONDERFUL concept album. The story is a bit confusing, though, and some of the "acting" by the "voice only" actors is not that great. And they toned down the virtuosity here in order to concentrate more on telling a story with the music, but that virtuosity is still there, just not as in your face. The Great Escape - I think they outdid themselves here. Another "AOR" deal, but with an AMAZING 30 minute epic, and every single other song is just soooo good. You might want to save this juicy album for after the other two so you aren't disappointed with them after this one. |
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Morsenator
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:21 | ||||||||
IMHO music is put to use best when it channels life and emotions truly and without pretending. Sounds like this band is trying to do that. Which album would you recommend to listen first? I've been trying to get into a lot of new music lately, and they might be a nice addition to that Haven't heard anything from them so far. It's good to try out some new PROG METALZ every now and then |
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:14 | ||||||||
THIS!!! MAN, I wish DT would do another Progressive Nations tour and have these guys as an opener! I want to buy the $250 "meet and greet" ticket package once just to plant that little bug in their ears! |
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:13 | ||||||||
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lucas
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:12 | ||||||||
If Dream Theater invited them to open their shows, maybe they would get more attention and even be signed on a bigger label.Their musicianship is superb, it's indeed a shame they have so little appreciation.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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CCVP
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: June 23 2012 at 17:09 | ||||||||
Quite true. There is an specific term for what I mean in Portuguese, which is my mother tongue, BTW, bit I don't believe there is one in English with the same weight, which is why I said "bears similarities with plagiarism" and not accused them of plagiarism outright. I thank you for stepping in and defending my POV, Jacob, but I believe I'll be getting out of this thread. I don't believe there is any way to go further here.
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dtguitarfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: June 23 2012 at 16:58 | ||||||||
Ok, here's why I get so ticked off to see someone using certain words to criticize this band - I have been going to Prog Power USA for 7 years now, and every year they give everyone a magazine filled with interviews of the bands. I teared up when I read the Seventh Wonder interview - scroll down in the link below and read the answer to this question:
Milton: The story in Mercy Falls is very emotional, and Tommy's vocals and lyrics portrayed that immensely. I know it's a fictional story, but was there any sort of real-life connection with that helped you achieve such emotion? I mean, you can feel it through the music... http://www.progpowerusa.com/xiii/media/interview_2010_seventhwonder.html It hurt me to hear how hard these guys work, and how little they are appreciated for it - I mean, they have a lot of love from their fans, but it's not enough to pay the bills, and I think if anyone deserves to make a living through music it's a band like this that has undeniably achieved excellence through so much hard work. You can't deny the hard work they've put into the mastery of their instruments (including vocals) when you hear these guys. |
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 16:50 | ||||||||
Ok, he hasn't said it was a mistake. In any case, this is my #1 peeve about this forum - when an appreciation thread jumps to the top of the list that hasn't been there in a while, someone IMMEDIATELY jumps into the thread to say "HEY EVERYBODY! GUESS WHY I DON'T LIKE THIS BAND? HERE IS MY LIST OF GRIPES AGAINST THEM! YAY ME!" |
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 16:45 | ||||||||
He made a mistake. He wasn't trying to be provocative, he just used the wrong word, which had stronger connotations associated with it. I do that sometimes, and you do too, and so does everybody else. This word being misused is particularly common, which makes it even more understandable. I think Caio has made it clear enough by now that he wasn't trying to bash Seventh Wonder. Every band has to deal with criticism, and I'm sure the guys in the band are used to it by now. I already explained that criticism was an aid in full appreciation, so this thread is no different.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 16:36 | ||||||||
Yes, and my point is that word should NOT be used lightly, and then you yourself pointed out how he doesn't seem to think it's a big deal to through the word around:
Another favorite band of mind under the cutting edge of his derision. I'm SICK of people waiting around for chances to pounce on bands they don't like, and it's one thing when it's a band that made it big and made money, but when it's a bunch of guys who have jobs and do music on the side - they should be off limits from that kind of s***, at least in an "appreciation" thread. Appreciation threads are for appreciation. Edited by dtguitarfan - June 23 2012 at 16:37 |
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 16:30 | ||||||||
^^That's a bit different from actually calling them plagiarists. Admittedly, he did call them the "SX equivalent of Pagan's Mind plagiarism to DT" but if you read the entire post he's quite clear that he considers them talented and appreciates some of their work. When you see any word used it's important to take it in context, and if you take "plagiarism" in context here it becomes clear that he's not using it provocatively. Plagiarism is the theft of someone else's intellectual property, and if you read Caio's post it's clear that he doesn't mean that; he's merely misusing the word, which everyone does sometimes and doesn't make his post unacceptable or provocative.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 15:57 | ||||||||
Check this thread for the answer to that: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=87807 I was actually sick when I read the article in the link (very first sentence of my post) because I thought it meant the death of Seventh Wonder, and as I have mentioned they are second only to Dream Theater in my opinion, and I may actually love them more because they are poor starving artists. But then when I read the statements from the band I got very hopeful - cautiously optimistic as I said. Kamelot has a much bigger budget than Seventh Wonder, and a much bigger fan base, and I am hoping that this connection between the two bands give Seventh Wonder more recognition, and maybe they'll be able to quit their jobs and devote themselves full-time to music.... |
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