Tangerine Drean Vs Kraftwerk

I was about to vote for TD only when I saw that they were winning the poll hands down, which I think is a bit unfair. Personally I prefer TD (yesterday I listened to Phaedra and Atem after a long time, tonight I'll probably pick Rubycon and the 1974 concert from the orange boxset... yummm!) but recently the f*?king mad krautrock completionist in me made me buy some Kraftwerk cds and I find they are excellent. I had (fond) memories of the hits they had in the late 70s, so the "pop" side of Trans-Europa Express and Die Mensch-Maschine (I was lucky enough to get the German version at a very good price) doesn't bother me at all.
Cold, metallic, minimal but essential.

Heavyfreight wrote: Tangerine Dream were always more progressive than Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk were often quite pop orientated.

"Progressiveness" or "pop-orientation" doesn't necessary mean "bettter" or "worse".

I like both bands and voted for both, although I slightly prefer Kraftwerk - they are more "German"

Perhaps the best Tangerine Dream albums are better than the best Kraftwerk albums,  but at their  lowest point KW made accessible yet unusual pop albums, while the rest of TD's career is just horrible.

clarke2001 wrote: Heavyfreight wrote: Tangerine Dream were always more progressive than Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk were often quite pop orientated. "Progressiveness" or "pop-orientation" doesn't necessary mean "bettter" or "worse". I like both bands and voted for both, although I slightly prefer Kraftwerk - they are more "German" Perhaps the best Tangerine Dream albums are better than the best Kraftwerk albums,  but at their  lowest point KW made accessible yet unusual pop albums, while the rest of TD's career is just horrible.

there are so good albums outside the classic sphere. And I don't say this as the great fan I am.

Bilek wrote: Please... you must be aware that I am also a great fan of their '80's works, but many agree that their post-Franke work simply sucks ... Even they themselves came close to admitting it

citation needed

• Miracle Mile
  
• Quinoa
• 220 Volt Live
• Turn Of The Tides
• Tournado/Valentyne Wheels
• Seven Letters
• MARS POLARIS/Rocking Mars
• Inferno
• Purgatorio

nope,not really

Bilek wrote: I'll find the relevant page in their site (in the early version, I have it in a chm file!) and post here... maybe I can find it in the new version as well... It's in FAQ section.   meanwhile, I might have the chance to reconsider the albums you listed (bar Mars Polaris and Dante trilogy, which I don't have )... maybe my attitude changes, eh? (but not about Tyger, Shy People and all the surrounding dreadful stuff )

Tyger isn't that bad.

And I never said the Melrose Years or the early Seattle are fantastic. They're actually a real recoil, yes.
But once started on the late 90s and on the millenium style (studio new material, that is), there's room to talk about music.
Oh, forgot Goblin's Club.

Tangerine Dream

richardh wrote: Ricochet wrote: Bilek wrote: I'll find the relevant page in their site (in the early version, I have it in a chm file!) and post here... maybe I can find it in the new version as well... It's in FAQ section.   meanwhile, I might have the chance to reconsider the albums you listed (bar Mars Polaris and Dante trilogy, which I don't have )... maybe my attitude changes, eh? (but not about Tyger, Shy People and all the surrounding dreadful stuff ) Tyger isn't that bad. And I never said the Melrose Years or the early Seattle are fantastic. They're actually a real recoil, yes. But once started on the late 90s and on the millenium style (studio new material, that is), there's room to talk about music. Oh, forgot Goblin's Club.   Tyger is a good album..the last one TD made that I can enjoy.Goblins Club starts well but descends into the sort of aimless nonsense that littered so many later TD albums.That said I did enjoy TD when I saw them play live about 10 years ago.

Goblin's Club is full of sense, those pieces may have simply...let you cold.
a better creation nonetheless than 70% of the 90s music.




Edited by Ricochet - November 14 2006 at 16:00

Tangerine Dream by miles and miles. They are far more atmospheric, and not as repetetive as Kraftwerk.

^^Popol Vuh electronic!?!?!?!?!?

Edited by Bilek - November 15 2006 at 02:50

Bilek wrote:   getting back to the topic: ricochet: It's easy to understand some people hating both TD and KW, as well as the whole electronic scene in general, because most rockers (even proggers amongst them) take all kind of electronic driven music at face value, not giving heed to the psychedelic roots behind it: like the Ash Ra Tempel heritage in Schulze's music. Not to mention the fact that all artists/bands mentioned so far are acquired tastes. Not everyone is patient as much as you or me to acquire it ...   lastly: I boldly argue that Tangerine Dream is the very best in the field, having heard most of the stuff from every band in tuxon's list, as well as other renowned figures such as Vangelis and Jarre. Of course this is my humble opinion; but this is backed up by the fact that TD is at least the most popular band among all ...             I forgot to bring the chm file I mentioned; apparently they ommited that section from the site. I promise, I'll post the quote as soon as I find!

till then, I won't believe you.

the very best? perhaps, perhaps not. they're nonetheless of an elite form.