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theadolescentprogger
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:02 |
It grooves, it just grooves... differently.
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Progosopher
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:22 |
Of course Prog can groove, but this does not mean that all Prog does groove. And the idea of it being too complex to groove is ridiculous. There is plenty of music from Africa that is rythmically extremely complex, yet it grooves like nothing else. I listen to a lot of Blues myself, and I can say that not all of it grooves either, and that there are several different ways it can groove. I have always had difficulty with what a lot of people call 'soul.' Many of the current top 40 tunes are described as soul, but it sounds so canned and artificial to me I can not even justify calling it by that title. My suggestion: anytime someone criticizes something for lacking soul, ask them what they mean by soul. If they can't express it, they don't know what it is. Play Socrates (but don't get them too mad at you).
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:19 |
Everything I don't like is grooveless, soulless and pretentious.
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Lord Jagged
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:37 |
How about George Clinton's Funkadelic? Plenty of groove there - massive stage show, concept albums a plenty, multi-part songs etc..... George is a hero of the little known Funk/Prog genre.
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:48 |
Just like prog lyrics rarely have anything to do with Tolkien or D&D, it's a misconception that prog doesn't groove. Fragile by Yes for example is extremely groove-driven, and so is a lot of stuff by Jethro Tull and Gentle Giant, as mentioned before in this thread. I guess the misconception arises because people equate prog with ultra-symphonic, keyboard-driven stuff like Genesis (a band that too could groove, but their albums are usually mixed in a way that de-emphasizes that fact). Prog is way too diverse a genre to make any generalization like that.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:52 |
Lord Jagged wrote:
How about George Clinton's Funkadelic? Plenty of groove there - massive stage show, concept albums a plenty, multi-part songs etc..... George is a hero of the little known Funk/Prog genre.
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Why is he not on PA then?
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Lord Jagged
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 16:00 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Lord Jagged wrote:
How about George Clinton's Funkadelic? Plenty of groove there - massive stage show, concept albums a plenty, multi-part songs etc..... George is a hero of the little known Funk/Prog genre.
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That'll be because I was joking. Hence the winking emoticon.
Prog may groove to a certain extent, but no one is going to confuse Yes with James Brown.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 16:07 |
Prog doesn't groove, that's why we like it and why it's fanbase is mostly beard-stroking academics and lonely geeks uninterested in the repetitive drone of soul-based music. It embraces the cerebral and ambitious. Nothing wrong with that.
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Lord Jagged
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 16:18 |
Atavachron wrote:
Prog doesn't groove, that's why we like it and why it's fanbase is mostly beard-stroking academics and lonely geeks uninterested in the repetitive drone of soul-based music.
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Clearly including the female prog fan there I see.
"Lonely geeks" is slightly worrying. An image of spotty shut in computer gamers performing acts of onanism under a Roger Dean poster is beginning to form.
I'd best go and listen to some James Brown - "Papa's got a brand new mellotron" the 12" disco mix I think.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 16:19 |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 16:30 |
Something I read long ago on the cover of Soft Machine's 2nd album comes to mind here - "There is music for the body, and music for the mind. Soft Machine makes music for the mind." or something like that. Its a mental groove they're after. I feel it. Are you feelin it? I'm feelin it. What? Yes of course.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 16:34 |
Lord Jagged wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Lord Jagged wrote:
How about George Clinton's Funkadelic? Plenty of groove there - massive stage show, concept albums a plenty, multi-part songs etc..... George is a hero of the little known Funk/Prog genre.
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Why is he not on PA then? |
That'll be because I was joking. Hence the winking emoticon.
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And I so bought that. I was just too lazy to check on what you've said.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - October 27 2012 at 16:35
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HolyMoly
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 16:40 |
Bootsy Collins for Eclectic!
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 17:33 |
Rush- - Digital Man
- By-Tor and the Snow Dog
- Losing It
Bruford- - the ever overplayed Money
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Lord Jagged
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 17:59 |
Josh18293 wrote:
Rush-- Digital Man
- By-Tor and the Snow Dog
- Losing It
Bruford- - the ever overplayed Money
| Money? A song in 7/4 is hardly going to pack a dance floor unless it's the annual epileptic convention disco.
Edited by Lord Jagged - October 27 2012 at 18:03
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 18:29 |
queue Can here
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Lord Jagged
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 18:55 |
Ah, just thought of one that fits the bill exactly. Slave Called Shiver by Porcupine Tree. That's got a groove you can hang your hat on.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 20:04 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
queue Can here
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[kidding]If only they had a decent rhythm section [/kidding]
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prog4evr
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 21:22 |
Snow Dog wrote:
...Prog does groove. It grooves on more levels.
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THIS!!
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 23:40 |
Here's a bunch by King Crimson:
21st Century Schizoid Man Pictures Of A City Cat Food Indoor Games Ladies Of The Road Sailor's Tale Easy Money Talking Drum Lark's Tongues In Aspic Part II Lament Red One More Red Nightmare Providence (bass solo section) Indiscipline Thela Hun Ginjeet Matte Kudasai Frame By Frame Sartori In Tangier Waiting Man Heartbeat Man With An Open Heart Three With A Perfect Pair
Pokes a very big hole in the claim that progressive rock has no groove.
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