A RULE ON THIS SITE HAS BEEN VIOLATED!!!

frenchie, this would obviously have to be sanctioned by M@X and ProgLucky.

If they were to agree to the two categories, then the final decision as to which bands to admit would have to rest with them.

Exactly.

What a silly rule it is.

Next topic!!!

What I don't like is the conformist way of thinking of some people (No attack pretended), I heard a lot of times people say, if STYX is here, why not ELO

If Asia is here why not Boston or Journey, if both are much more Prog' oriented?

This is wrong guys, none of the mentioned bands is Prog', if a mistake is made try to repair it, if this is not possible, try to hide the corpse under the carpet, but please if a mistake already exists don't make another mistake arguing the first one.

That's the way for mediocrity, how many times I heard in my work, if he goes at 4 o clock why should I stay till 5? or he takes the working material to his house (pens, papers, staplers, etc), why shouldn't I do the same? this is absolutely wrong.

A second mistake won't make the first one correct, it will make the site less reliable,

Yesterday Retrovertigo wrote to justify a Death Metal band:

We already have Opeth, and they're surely prog, and they're surely death metal also. And the same with Meshuggah.

Please, we're adding a lot of Death/Black Metal bands just because Opeth is here, OK Opeth is wrong and we can't remove them due to the Prog Archives rules (Even when rules are being changed daily to admit more mainstream proggish bands), but please don't use Opeth as an excuse to include ten more similar bands, this won't make Opeth right, but more evident the mistake.

I believe that the bands requested by members should be sent to a temporal section for the collaborators to decide. not include so easily anything remotely prog.

Or even when is not the best solution create that Proto Prog/Prog oriented section apart from the rest of the bands

Iván

Logos wrote:

You're an anti-metallist of the worst kind. Please look in the mirror and reconsider your opinions.

Sorry but this is an absurd reaction, I like some metal, love Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and even the infamous Yngwee Malmsteen, but METAL IS METAL AND PROG IS PROG.

I can accept some Prog' Metal but Death Metal is a sub genre of Metal, it's too specific to be considered Prog, better add all metal and lets say that metal and Prog are the same, that's the point we're reaching now and it's absurd.

There are a lot of black, doom, death metal web pages and fan clubs to include your favorite bands, why do it on a progressive rock page.

This place is a refugee for those of us who have been supporting this genre for days. months, years or even decades even when everybody else hated our music, and it survives because it was well defined, no, any metal or Indie band with keyboards is considered Prog', and that's not correct.

I am against the inclusion of METAL, AOR, POP, DISCO RAP, GLAM bands in Prog Archives because they aren't Prog', not because I hate them (Well I hate Rap).

I like Jackson Browne, but I don't think his good and deep lyrics are Prog, love Meatlaof's music but won't argue that Jim Steinman's piano makes them prog and my favorites Bob Geldoff and the Boomtown Rats but won't add Bob just because he appeared and sung in The Wall or because the lyrics and piano in I Don't Like Mondays seem proggy.

The Who is a better candidate than most of the bands recently included because they made two very Prog' albums (Tommy and Quadrophenia) but they are mainly a classic rock band and icon of their own genre so why in hell we must include them here.

So like whatever you want as I do but everything has a place, Dead/Trash/Black/Suicide or even Christiam Metal are subgenres of Metal not barely related with Prog.

If we keep doing this Progressive Rock will become so vague and blurry that everything could be part of the genre and the logical consequence is that Prog' will dissapear, let's keep the genre as pure as possible if we want it to survive.

Iván

ivan_2068 wrote: METAL IS METAL AND PROG IS PROG

And Prog metal is prog and prog metal is metal.

ivan_2068 wrote: I can accept some Prog' Metal but Death Metal is a sub genre of Metal, it's too specific to be considered Prog, better add all metal and lets say that metal and Prog are the same, that's the point we're reaching now and it's absurd.

There are sub-genres within sub-genres as well, and prog metal is a good example of this. There is symphonic prog metal, progressive death metal and prog power metal for example. It is only a prejudice to think that this is not possible. Were Dream Theater to have death metal vocals instead of James LaBrie (although they wouldn't suit the band at all, that's for sure), would someone say they weren't prog? It would be absolutely ridiculous. There's a lot of really technical, really complex, undoubtedly proggy metal music out there, just waiting to be explored by those who have an open mind and who are not stuck in their prejudices regarding metal music.

ivan_2068 wrote: This place is a refugee for those of us who have been supporting this genre for days. months, years or even decades even when everybody else hated our music, and it survives because it was well defined, no, any metal or Indie band with keyboards is considered Prog', and that's not correct.

You're not being sensible or objective with this matter. There are extremely few "death prog" bands on this site, actually I only know Opeth and Meshuggah at the moment. And I know quite a few death metal bands myself, yet I am NOT suggesting bands like Cannibal Corpse, Carcass, Obituary, Arch Enemy or Deicide to be added here. That would be ridiculous. Only a few , those few that really are progressive, are added. But because you hate (death) metal , you are not being objective,  and go on saying that "all metal bands etc. are being added nowadays, where is this site going, oh my god, Prog Archives is losing it". That is ridiculous!! You really should re-consider this matter. How does it hurt you if progressive metal is discussed on this site??? Just ignore it if you don't like it!!!

ivan_2068 wrote: If we keep doing this Progressive Rock will become so vague and blurry that everything could be part of the genre and the logical consequence is that Prog' will dissapear, let's keep the genre as pure as possible if we want it to survive.

No, it will not. Prog metal IS a part of prog rock. There's absolutely nothing vague or blurry about it!!