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GoldenSpiral 
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 Posted: October 08 2006 at 15:57 |
I believe perhaps it's the almost complete lack of originality that makes me dislike neo-prog. 
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 08 2006 at 16:06 |
 GoldenSpiral wrote:
I believe perhaps it's the almost complete lack of originality that makes me dislike neo-prog. |
If I recorded myself strangling a canary in a tin can, it would be original, but that wouldn't stop it from sounding like complete sh*t. 
Oops, I just summarized Mike Patton's career again.... 
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sleeper
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Posted: October 08 2006 at 18:11 |
stonebeard wrote:
GoldenSpiral wrote:
I believe perhaps it's the almost complete lack of originality that makes me dislike neo-prog. |
If I recorded myself strangling a canary in a tin can, it would be original, but that wouldn't stop it from sounding like complete sh*t.
Oops, I just summarized Mike Patton's career again....
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Selkie
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Posted: October 08 2006 at 19:03 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
I believe perhaps it's the almost complete lack of originality that makes me dislike neo-prog. |
yeah, most neo sounds like rehashed and dumbed down 70's prog to my ears. If I want really emotional music, I'll listen Paatos or Jeff Buckley.
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: October 08 2006 at 23:08 |
There is something about NEO i really like.Maybe because it's all radio friendly ,fun music,i don't know?I do know i love MARILLION and THE WATCH.The fact a lot of it could be played on the radio i'm sure would make a lot of proggers despise the genre. 
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 08 2006 at 23:15 |
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And yet, those bands aren't really played on the radio, at least not on the mainstream airwaves.
Edited by Atavachron - October 08 2006 at 23:16
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moonlitbay
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 01:47 |
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"Old-timers" don't like Neo-prog because they are stuck with their 70-style music. I think they are more narrow-minded than the rest of us....
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Wilcey
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 03:29 |
Selkie wrote:
, most neo sounds like rehashed and dumbed down 70's prog to my ears. . |
based on what ??? the fact that the term "neo" seems to be the most despised in prog, or based on your experiences of particular bands? Neo bashing almost seems to be a past time here, by holding a very big umbrella over a group of bands and calling them all "neo" you are missing out on a lot of great music. I really think this "Neo" label has translation issues. Selkie you think MOST neo prog sounds dumbed down.....it's like me saying MOST post rock or RIO is just a bunch of pseudo pipe clangers in my ears........ now I know soome fantastic bands that come under these genres, but admittedly there are some LESS than fantastic ones too......... do you see, by holding a whole genre up for distaste you are missing some good stuff!
Edited by prog-chick - October 09 2006 at 03:30
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 03:39 |
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prog-chick makes an excellent point, one I've heard her state before. Initially the bands now labelled as neo-prog were just new bands with a progressive style and an updated sound. It was only later out of a tendency to categorize that they succumbed to the term. Without it, they're just new bands with something to say, and a lot of people like it.
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Wilcey
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 03:45 |
Thank you Atavachron,  I also think that it is worth pointing out that a lot of these bands are not that new either...... Pendragon formed almost 30 yrs ago, 25yrs for IQ, Pallas getting on for 25 yrs.....Marillion 30+ years....... Apart from anything else, don't you think it's a bit rude to keep alluding to these (and others) as "the new boys of prog" ??? P-C
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 03:52 |
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Definately...I've always wondered how those bands could, at this point, be 'neo' anything. Pretty soon were going to have to start calling people post-avant-pre-neo... Technically, Nebelnest and Planet X are more neo than the bands in question.
Edited by Atavachron - October 09 2006 at 03:53
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Mategra
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 04:57 |
Marillion is perhaps the only so-called Neo-prog band I am able to enjoy (except "Season's End"). Another enjoyable British 80s band is of course It Bites, but they are generally not labelled as "Neo" (even if they could be).
But bands like IQ, Cyan, Pendragon, Arena, Jadis, Pallas, Clepsydra and Collage really don't do very much for me.
The keyboards are not a major problem, especially not the instruments in themselves (the way they are played is often a problem though). My major problem with Neo (IQ type), which makes it so uninteresting, is rather the lack of virtually all the good ingredients of Real prog.
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sleeper
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 06:44 |
Atavachron wrote:
Definately...I've always wondered how those bands could, at this point, be 'neo' anything. Pretty soon were going to have to start calling people post-avant-pre-neo... Technically, Nebelnest and Planet X are more neo than the bands in question.
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I dont know were the term was coined from but Neo is now just another sub-genre title in prog like Symphonic or Psychodelic/Space rock. The title may no longer be aplicable but I get the feeling it has been in use for a while (anyone know when it was first used?) and theirs no need to change it. Afterall, what would we change it to? It would probably only be a term used here on this site, which could confuse people. What really anoys me is that some people tend to label everything after 1980 as neo, thats Marillion, The Flower Kings, Dream Theater, Guapo etc. That is what I'd call stupid.
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Wilcey
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 09:51 |
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lightbulb_son
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 11:03 |
stonebeard wrote:
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Run for the hills!!! The neo prog team is here to hammer down any opposition to their genre! Flee in terror!!!
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 14:44 |
Sorry to lose you, prog-chick. I may bow out soon, too, and I started the thread!  sleeper; I agree, 'neo' has become an important term of identification.
Edited by Atavachron - October 09 2006 at 14:47
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 14:53 |
moonlitbay wrote:
"Old-timers" don't like Neo-prog because they are stuck with their 70-style music. I think they are more narrow-minded than the rest of us.... |
Pardon?  I am not that keen on most neo-prog bands I've heard, but I'm for one thing not an "Old-timer", neither do I dislike music stuck in the 1970s. Neo-prog isn't stuck in the 1970s, this I know, so why do you say this? They take elements of 1970s music, change it and make a different sound from it (albeit, not one I am too keen on). I like bands like Wobbler and even Anglagard (not exactly a copy band, mind you), who sound more 1970s than any neo-prog bands do! I'm certainly not "narrow-minded" either, I listen to most prog-genres and I happen to like Discipline's "Unfolded Like Staircase" album, which is labelled here as neo-prog.
Edited by Geck0 - October 09 2006 at 14:54
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Jared
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 14:55 |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 14:56 |
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Quite right.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 15:38 |
Geck0 wrote:
I don't like cheesy keyboards in any type of music, not just neo-prog.However, cheesy keyboards seem to one of the sum of the parts, that make neo-prog what it is.
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That's way too stereotypical. Listen to some neo like Strangefish and tell me if that descriptive still applies.There are alot of good neo bands out there who just don't sound like that.Like the aforementioned Strangefish or bands like Ezra Winston.
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