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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2006 at 10:54
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

neo prog is probably the most emotional subgenre:
 
I probably agree, but this is dangerous ground. Wink
 
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

that's why many women like neo.
 
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neo prog is a very select and recognizable style that brings some color, freshness and modernity to the old dusty LP's of the 70's. My ELP's LP's are particularly scratched and the sound is damned flat; when ELpowell album arrived, I said: "WOW, if they could have sounded like that in 1973!!" ELPowell is not neo, but the attitude regarding the urge to create modern & bombastic sound gets the album not very far from neo. Neo prog insists on the sonority, the atmosphere, rather than on complexity. When I listen to neo, i feel comfortable, and I abandon myself to the music. neo prog is probably the most emotional subgenre: that's why many women like neo.
 
neo is not a generational problem:
 
I am 39, I own about anything classic prog of the 70's, and I can certify I love it, except maybe VDGG, from which by the way I can admit they are very talented and have really good moments. More than that: I prefer symphonic prog rock than neo prog!!   however, I learned to not analyze the neo prog music because it does not work: clepsydra, if you analyze them, have pretty banal time signatures and structure. OK. On the other hand, if you do not analyze and open your emotional side, then clepsydra suddenly becomes the most captivating band! the problem with people who find nothing good in neo prog is that maybe they have their emotional side closed: it's like men who are afraid to fall in love with a sensitive beauty who cannot play chess, read maps, program VCR and fill tax forms. 
 
 
 


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Neo has blissfull moments and has a say in '80s music. Thumbs Up

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Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:


Marillion, IQ and Pendragon are very good indeed (though there are some dodgy ones as well). I'd far sooner listen to them than (say)  King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator or ELP, classic era bands I have never really got into (and now almost certainly never will).(I have just watched a video of "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" and agree - Hamill is dreadful but the whole track stinks).


Now, I love Marillion and IQ (can't say much for Pendragon), and KC and VDGG. Unlike most fans, "Pawn Hearts" doesn't appeal to me that much. Have you tried "H to He?"
    
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Western mind has difficulty understanding without classification. All science has has been based on classification. We simply must classify so that complex things become simpler for us to comprehend. Hence classification is an artifact of the way we are accustomed to think.

 

Once we classify we need to go deeper and judge participant elements on their merit.

 

There is no value in broad brush judgment statements such as "style A" or "style B" does not speak to a whole generation.

 

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Points: 967 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2006 at 06:47
Marillion, IQ and Pendragon are very good indeed (though there are some dodgy ones as well).

I'd far sooner listen to them than (say)  King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator or ELP, classic era bands I have never really got into (and now almost certainly never will).

(I have just watched a video of "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" and agree - Hamill is dreadful but the whole track stinks).


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Personally, I think its partly a generational thing, especially in the UK.  When popular music hit its lowest ebb in the early 1980's, at a time when Yes were producing 90125, & Genesis Genesis; and we all thought 'prog' had died, Marillion were like a breath of fresh air, swiftly followed by Pendragon, IQ, Pallas & Twelfth Night in what was a peculiarly British scene....
 
There are nevertheless a lot of mediocre neo-prog bands on the market, which detract from the quality of the movement, which can be superb when its very good.  I've said this before on other threads, but for those wanting to get into neo-prog, here are my top 10 fave bands, and albums from each band....(in no particular order)
 
IQ: Ever
Jadis: More Than Meets The Eye
Pendragon: The Masquerade Overture
Pallas: Beat The Drum
Iluvatar: Children
Collage: Moonshine
Satellite: Evening Games
Clepsydra: Fears
Arena: Pepper's Ghost
Janison Edge: The Services Of Mary Goode
 
 
I hope this is of some help....
 
 
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As prog lovers, we're often caught in our tastes between 'real' rock (Hendix, Zep, Stones) and 'fake' rock (Oldfield, Tomita, Bagsby). Prog, and now neo prog, bridged that gap and opened a whole new middleground. This is, at the end of the day, a good thing and neo prog continues that journey between the musics. And what of a band like Planet X; not neo prog by definition but definately new and definately prog. Liquid T as well, so what about it?
    

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Indeed, or just not as good a music taste...

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

C'mon, people, don't be intimidated about what you really think-- love neo or not, it's O.K. Just cause someone has a special title here doesn't necessarily mean they have a better view, just a more informed one.
    

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C'mon, people, don't be intimidated about what you really think-- love neo or not, it's O.K. Just cause someone has a special title here doesn't necessarily mean they have a better view, just a more informed one.
    

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Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

     If the music is good, I don't care what the genre is. I have found a few neo bands that I like.


As have I, I just wish I'd found more. With some of you, it does indeed seem to be an issue of very personal taste rather than something generational or cultural(?)
    
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Indeed I have, I played VdGG much more when I had less CDs and didn't have my last.fm plug-in.
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    If the music is good, I don't care what the genre is. I have found a few neo bands that I like.
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Well you've listened to them more than I have, so Hammill must be a significant factor. Wink

That's on Last.fm, which I've had a lot longer than you and you've been listening to VdGG for a lot longer than I have.Wink
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Well you've listened to them more than I have, so Hammill must be a significant factor. Wink
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Top Artists:

Van der Graaf Generator 167

O RLY, Cygmund?

I could like VdGG for reasons other than Hammill, ya know.Wink
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Top Artists:

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O RLY, Cygmund?

There aren't many naff VdGG demos, so ner! LOL
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

That's my point!

I want a neo-prog band without keyboards! Wink

Well you can't have one unless you start one yourself!Angry

Stop being so difficult and start being a bit nicer towards the genre, because I can go on all day about how much Robert Wyatt and Peter Hammill suck.Wink


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You can't always get what you want! Ying Yang
 
Now go listen to an obscure demo of some forgotten VDGG track that bears no worth at all besides being able to trun somebody insane with that annoying Censored saxophone!
 
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