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Dean
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 11:43 |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 11:51 |
Svetonio wrote:
An example of an insant classic album in progressive fusion genre; that's a debut album released, at 20 April 2015 at MoonJune Records, by Barcelona's duo called Xadu, i.e. Xavi Reja (already in Prog Archives due to my suggestion) on drums and Dušan Jevtović on guitar |
If by "classic" you mean two unemployed college kids in their mom's living room noodling around with the foot pedals and snares they got for Christmas, then yeah, this is certainly a classic.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 11:59 |
instant classic is an oxymoron
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 12:00 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
instant classic is an oxymoron
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Isn't Oxymoron a band someone suggested for inclusion on PA?
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Svetonio
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 12:47 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
instant classic is an oxymoron
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Yes I agree, it could sound like "wooden iron", though some albums are instant classic, because these albums really no need much time to be recognized by specialists on those genres as great and unique albums and, consequently, instant classic albums, for example Random Abstract
A key advantage of playing complex instrumental music in a trio or quartet is the luxury of having one player free to keep the ball of melody in play while granting the other instrumentalists the freedom to harmonize, play counterpoint or just cut loose. This was the case for Dusan Jevtovic and Xavi Reija when, along with bassist Bernat Hernandez and under Xavi’s name, they recorded 2014’s MoonJune release “Resolution”. Prior to that, though with Marko Djordjevic drumming, Dusan offered up 2013’s “Am I Walking Wrong”. Both of these trio releases pointed the way to a style of composition emphasizing melodic interplay and rhythmic complexity while not sacrificing the improvisatory nature that make the music such a thrilling listen. Now in choosing to work as a two-man configuration called XaDu, Xavi and Dusan must first establish each composition with its intrinsic melodic and rhythmic components, then allow it to partially deconstruct as they explore the vast sonic palette of guitar and drumkit. Dusan’s guitar and pedalwork conjure a soundscape that can range from the introspective and almost ambient/atmospheric to the urgency of careening snow-blind through a maelstrom of sound. Xavi is right in the vortex, coaxing riffs into life, laying chase to Dusan’s frenetic runs with his supremely musical tom work, or just falling away in a wash of cymbals when the wave of energy has crashed on the shore. The reductionist “connect-the-dots” approach to this playing serves to really pull the listener into the mix; whereas Dusan first lays down a “Feelies”-era strummed guitar chord structure on “New Pop”, the responsibility to maintain that sunny day disposition is left to Xavi’s rhythmic interpretation as Dusan ventures into a world of darkening skies through a series of elongated bursts and pedal colorations. Two musicians work together to economically craft a very filmic piece where every sustained and slightly vibrato’d note or chord play to maximum effect with the deep toms and choked cymbals. Math metal jazz and fuzzy fusion. at the highest level, and the overall takeaway here is the great joy of listening to these two very talented players and witnessing their abilities to coax only the very best from each other in XaDu. It is most successful musical pairing indeed |
Well, if someone hate contemporary prog, especially that modern instrumental progressive fusion and / or avant prog (above mentioned album is a great cocktail of that!) nor understand those sub-genres in general while on the same time thinking about early 70s Symphonic rock as "only" possible classic stuff, and yet if one want that some albums have to be mythologized that could be called classic, there's nothing that could help then.
Edited by Svetonio - May 06 2015 at 13:03
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:00 |
Svetonio wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
instant classic is an oxymoron
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Yes I agree, it could sound like "wooden iron", though some albums are instant classic, because these albums really no need much time to be recognized by specialists on those genres as great and unique albums and, consequently, instant classic albums, for example Random Abstract
A key advantage of playing complex instrumental music in a trio or quartet is the luxury of having one player free to keep the ball of melody in play while granting the other instrumentalists the freedom to harmonize, play counterpoint or just cut loose. This was the case for Dusan Jevtovic and Xavi Reija when, along with bassist Bernat Hernandez and under Xavi’s name, they recorded 2014’s MoonJune release “Resolution”. Prior to that, though with Marko Djordjevic drumming, Dusan offered up 2013’s “Am I Walking Wrong”. Both of these trio releases pointed the way to a style of composition emphasizing melodic interplay and rhythmic complexity while not sacrificing the improvisatory nature that make the music such a thrilling listen. Now in choosing to work as a two-man configuration called XaDu, Xavi and Dusan must first establish each composition with its intrinsic melodic and rhythmic components, then allow it to partially deconstruct as they explore the vast sonic palette of guitar and drumkit. Dusan’s guitar and pedalwork conjure a soundscape that can range from the introspective and almost ambient/atmospheric to the urgency of careening snow-blind through a maelstrom of sound. Xavi is right in the vortex, coaxing riffs into life, laying chase to Dusan’s frenetic runs with his supremely musical tom work, or just falling away in a wash of cymbals when the wave of energy has crashed on the shore. The reductionist “connect-the-dots” approach to this playing serves to really pull the listener into the mix; whereas Dusan first lays down a “Feelies”-era strummed guitar chord structure on “New Pop”, the responsibility to maintain that sunny day disposition is left to Xavi’s rhythmic interpretation as Dusan ventures into a world of darkening skies through a series of elongated bursts and pedal colorations. Two musicians work together to economically craft a very filmic piece where every sustained and slightly vibrato’d note or chord play to maximum effect with the deep toms and choked cymbals. Math metal jazz and fuzzy fusion. at the highest level, and the overall takeaway here is the great joy of listening to these two very talented players and witnessing their abilities to coax only the very best from each other in XaDu. It is most successful musical pairing indeed |
Well, if someone hate contemporary prog, especially instrumental progressive fusion and / or avant prog (above mentioned album is a great cocktail of that!), nor understand those sub-genres in general while thinking about early 70s Symphonic rock as "only" possible classic stuff, there's nothing that could help then. |
Stop, please. A poorly written blurb by a record company (who obviously hired an English-as-a-Second-Language speaker as the writer) does not mean anything. Also, there is nothing deep or profound that I am missing here, nor is there either something that needs to be understood beyond what is offered, or a hate for what is involved. There are guys in basements and garages across the world playing the same crap. It's called practice.
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:41 |
Svetonio wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
instant classic is an oxymoron
| Yes I agree, it could sound like "wooden iron", though some albums are instant classic, because these albums really no need much time to be recognized by specialists on those genres as great and unique albums and, consequently, instant classic albums, for example Random Abstract
A key advantage of playing complex instrumental music in a trio or quartet is the luxury of having one player free to keep the ball of melody in play while granting the other instrumentalists the freedom to harmonize, play counterpoint or just cut loose. This was the case for Dusan Jevtovic and Xavi Reija when, along with bassist Bernat Hernandez and under Xavi’s name, they recorded 2014’s MoonJune release “Resolution”. Prior to that, though with Marko Djordjevic drumming, Dusan offered up 2013’s “Am I Walking Wrong”. Both of these trio releases pointed the way to a style of composition emphasizing melodic interplay and rhythmic complexity while not sacrificing the improvisatory nature that make the music such a thrilling listen. Now in choosing to work as a two-man configuration called XaDu, Xavi and Dusan must first establish each composition with its intrinsic melodic and rhythmic components, then allow it to partially deconstruct as they explore the vast sonic palette of guitar and drumkit. Dusan’s guitar and pedalwork conjure a soundscape that can range from the introspective and almost ambient/atmospheric to the urgency of careening snow-blind through a maelstrom of sound. Xavi is right in the vortex, coaxing riffs into life, laying chase to Dusan’s frenetic runs with his supremely musical tom work, or just falling away in a wash of cymbals when the wave of energy has crashed on the shore. The reductionist “connect-the-dots” approach to this playing serves to really pull the listener into the mix; whereas Dusan first lays down a “Feelies”-era strummed guitar chord structure on “New Pop”, the responsibility to maintain that sunny day disposition is left to Xavi’s rhythmic interpretation as Dusan ventures into a world of darkening skies through a series of elongated bursts and pedal colorations. Two musicians work together to economically craft a very filmic piece where every sustained and slightly vibrato’d note or chord play to maximum effect with the deep toms and choked cymbals. Math metal jazz and fuzzy fusion. at the highest level, and the overall takeaway here is the great joy of listening to these two very talented players and witnessing their abilities to coax only the very best from each other in XaDu. It is most successful musical pairing indeed |
Well, if someone hate contemporary prog, especially that modern instrumental progressive fusion and / or avant prog (above mentioned album is a great cocktail of that!) nor understand those sub-genres in general while on the same time thinking about early 70s Symphonic rock as "only" possible classic stuff, and yet if one want that some albums have to be mythologized that could be called classic, there's nothing that could help then. |
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Dean
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:44 |
*sigh* Will this charade never end.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:44 |
^ Svetonio has duplicate sign-ins. Why else would someone applaud the gibberish that was typed?
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:47 |
That's a jolly fine opinion even if I do say so myself.
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:53 |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:56 |
It is as much a sentence grammatically as was his "instant classic" a classic or instantaneous.
Edited by The Dark Elf - May 06 2015 at 13:58
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Padraic
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 14:16 |
Logging in to your 2nd account to applaud your own posts...priceless
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 14:29 |
Padraic wrote:
Logging in to your 2nd account to applaud your own posts...priceless
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 14:37 |
As good as The Road Of Bones is, allow me to doubt that it will be considered a classic Prog album within 20 years from now. It is not innovative enough, it is too derivative. Is it so specially different from, let's say, Subterranea?
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Komandant Shamal
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 14:50 |
I would just add to Svetonio's statement that it's pretty symptomatic that old, grumpy & good-for-nothing "artists", but of a ready tongue, are almost always to be ahead to snub some gorgeous new Prog at internet forums in the discussions like this, and very often they insist on 70s [and other past decades] only in contribution of negation of hard work of the gifted young boys who just released some brilliant albums.
Edited by Komandant Shamal - May 06 2015 at 14:52
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 14:55 |
Komandant Shamal wrote:
I would just add to Svetonio's statement that it's pretty symptomatic that old, grumpy & good-for-nothing "artists", but of a ready tongue, are almost always to be ahead to snub some gorgeous new Prog at internet forums in the discussions like this, and very often they insist on 70s [and other past decades] only in contribution of negation of hard work of the gifted young boys who just released some brilliant albums. |
Svetony, please stop... You're not fooling anyone...
Edited by sublime220 - May 06 2015 at 14:56
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 14:59 |
Padraic wrote:
Logging in to your 2nd account to applaud your own posts...priceless
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I scare myself just thinking about me.
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 15:20 |
Actually I was getting what dean was saying. It didn't seem to me like he was snubbing anything new here. It's just that a lot of modern music hasn't had the chance to become a classic yet, and there are many types of classics that exist.
I would have to say that we should wait and see if what was made changed the landscape of music and had a profound effect on many people. It's hard to consider something a classic if there are only 40-50 fans. But potentially 40 years from now, if it is a classic, there will be many more fans of it?
Haha. Meh I'm in my 20's i really don't know.
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Posted: May 06 2015 at 15:57 |
It's always hard to see what will be classic in the future when commenting about the present. I believe it was my stepfather that told me that when interviewed in his youth about a new, upcoming band called The Beatles he had answered that these guys would never become anything much. To state an example.
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