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Manuel
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I also took the survey, so I hope it helps you somehow. Good luck to you.
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wiz_d_kidd
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I took the survey. Although not really religious or spiritual, I am apt to "flights of fancy" when listening to prog. I try to relate some of those flights in my reviews. My only wish in the survey was that they defined what they meant by "religious" or "spiritual". Do you have to believe in a God to have such an experience? Do you have to be a practicing member of a religion, and uphold the tenets that they espouse? It's almost as nebulous as defining "prog", for heaven's sake. <grin> |
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Braka
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Less than one song! |
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Logan
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I'm a great believer in Occam's razor and like to take serious flights of fancy (lots of "what if?s). Adams and Monty Python were brilliant because they knowingly took the absurd and went with it, knowing how absurd some of those ideas were, but there was also an internal logic to it, such as the Shoe Event Horizon. Adams could make nonsense sound so sensible, and quite sensible things sound quite nonsensical (there's method in apparent madness, to be cliche). It rather amazes how many insensible ideas are held as canonical by so many people (it's true because it says so). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and the simplest explanation that requires the minimum number of assumptions is generally more likely and makes the more valid argument. That said, if you look into physics such as quantum physics and relativity, or hypotheses such as the holographic principle/ universe, the universe can operate in counterintuitive ways. I appreciate the sense of mystery, and enjoy asking questions, and making strange "what if" leaps. I do wish that less people put faith into stone age musings, but dogma/ doctrine can be a real sense of comfort. I'll take astronomy over astrology, science over superstition, and reason over revelation. I still think there is place for fun and mythology and fantasy generally. I love to think about strange and unlikely things But I digressed really badly an am getting into material best suited for the Deep Thinking thread (not Adams' Deep Thought, but geekfreak's Deep Thinking). I love this passage from [edit] "Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There" by the American track and field athlete Carl Lewis, erm, Lewis Carroll. "Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things." "I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."" Edited by Logan - July 06 2018 at 13:13 |
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BaldFriede
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Ahem. This passage is from "Through
the Looking Glass and what Alice Found there" (from the chapter "Wool
and Water"). The "Alice" books are my favourite books ever, and it makes
me happy to share birthday with Lewis Carroll (Jan 27th).
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Logan
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Silly me, thought it might be. I have become terribly unreliable -- been many years since I last read it, but that passage stuck with me.
"Always speak the truth, think before you speak, and write it down afterwards" (Lewis Carroll). Too often I'm guilty of starting with writing it down first, but given the opportunities, I often eventually reach the truth in the editing process. Good thing we have members to peer review our posts here. "For my life, I confess to you, feels to me today somewhat narrow and circumscribed" (Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows). Edited by Logan - July 06 2018 at 13:03 |
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Guldbamsen
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That's one of the best posts I've read in a long time Greg, thanks for that. I have nothing to add really - you took the words right out of my mouth and (obviously) made them make sense
Btw I recently watched World War Z again and thought about how much of my life has been spent as the 10th man - ie destined to flirt with the unlikely. |
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The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
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Guldbamsen
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Oh and I just finished your survey Klmberley. Feel free to contact me if you need anything
Best of luck! |
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The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
- Douglas Adams |
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Rednight
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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ReactioninG
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Heh. Why Prog?
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BillieJane
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Fascinating! Thank you so much for sharing. David Gilmour was the first to do it for me too!
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BillieJane
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Great question! That is being carefully considered as I write. I think prog has some of the closest links to Romantic ideals - hippie ethos, myths and legends, extended form and transportation. Of course, it is possible to have these kinds of experience anywhere - in all forms of music. But their shape nd form might well be different in forms like hip hop. Currently i'm wondering whether there can be such a thing as 'too virtuosic' for letting you get inside a piece; whether that sometimes splinters concentration. E.g. Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman's playing? Vs. David Gilmour's extremely accommodating guitar. Just a whim at the moment! I'm definitely getting to like ELP and Yes a lot more as I go on!
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BillieJane
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Writer self is an alter ego! It's a lovely, oddly frequent surprise when I write something that sounds too clever for me to have come up with. And certainly - conversely - it also often takes several redrafts until I come to a valid point!
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BillieJane
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haha, yes... it's what you make of it! I look forward to defining it... may be a group effort pooling on what participants make of it!
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BillieJane
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Just a note to say thanks everyone so much who has taken part! I am tremendously enjoying reading many responses (which are kept anonymous). Best part of the PhD so far!! It's still open a few more weeks if anyone wants, and has yet to do it.
Edited by BillieJane - July 08 2018 at 09:02 |
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philipemery
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I took the survey. Not at all religious (complete atheist).
If you want any more information, feel free to ask. I am around here daily, and all. I did leave my email in the survey as well. |
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dr wu23
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Well..yes you are very predictable. ;)
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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moshkito
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Hi, Sorry
the survey failed and would not load a page after the group names. I am curious as to how this survey can give a good answer, when/if the definitions and directions for what would be considered a "religious experience" is not clearly defined. All music, as indeed most of the arts, even in history (although sometimes jaded
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renaissance!), these definitions have not been well defined, except by a group of folks that thought themselves more spiritual than any of us. The 20th and now the 21st Century is pretty much about de-bunking that kind of thinking and there has been quite a large amount of literature that is not of the childish quality or the pop-media quality, that describes a lot of these experiences, many of which can be said to be "religious experiences" and not just a vision or a dream. Myself, I am a person who looks for a lot of music with religious intent, and mostly with a meditative point, rather than some unimportant lyrics, that supposedly define the "experience" in the music, which is not necessarily anything that would have to do with a "religious" experience, other than its suggestive mode, which distorts your ability to find, and understand that which you are experiencing. Not to mention that history has not been kind to serious visionaries, and in many cases punished them, for their inner knowledge and experiences. Rock music, progressive or otherwise, for my tastes, is too much of an "idea", than a reality
and if your work is strictly based on ideas, clarifying them and making them important, is a lifetime study that many undertake, and just about as many fail to reach the point that is being looked for, or a clear understanding of the complete adventure. I wish you the best, but there are several postings of mine describing many of the "spiritual" things that I have within my collection. BTW, I would prefer that things like King Crimson, or many of the bands listed, not be described as having a potential for a 'religious experience", when KC is not about religion but an "artistic endeavor" of a much higher quality than mere pop music of which many of those bands listed are a part of, which lacks some depth in their "spirituality", compared to folks that really have it and do it continuously in their music. Sadly, although they fit an "artistic experience" much more than "religious" things like Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream are not mentioned or suggested and in many ways they are much better suited for a meditation and a religious experience than many of the songs that so many of those bands continuously sing because we like our top ten. Good luck, and I wish you the best, although it is my opinion (strictly an opinion) that the value and depth of your work is going to be ending up defined by some lyrics
by people that really are just writing clever words that seem to be wonderful and powerful in their nature, but in reality, are
sometimes
more vain than otherwise.
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Matti
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I took the survey. Obviously there'll be many answers (similar to mine) underlining that it's just a matter of an emotional impact of art, nothing religious -- or even spiritual, depending how one understands spirituality.
But of course those answers are equally valid. Good luck to the project!
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miamiscot
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Headphones on. Tales From Topographic Oceans queued. Religious experience ahead!!!
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