System of a Down

Don Quito wrote: R_DeNIRO wrote: System of a Down in the site... I hope you are kidding, do you know that Rammstein have keyboards in all they songs, why not include them also in prog related? And we can include Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Korn... (they covered a Pink Floyd song). Then we can erase of the site Genesis, Yes, Rush, Dream Theater, Camel, King Crimson... and this will be the f**king NuMetal archives. The day this could happen I will leave this web inmediatly. What will be the next? Keyboards are not a major concern for categorizing a band as prog or not. But, let me ask you, Isn't prog also described as the use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings. Pieces with multiple time signatures??? I didn't know you wanted to include Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and Korn on the Archives...

This is the point, only the keyboards doesn't make a band prog, only unusual time signatures, scales or tunings neither. I mentioned limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and Korn because are more similar to SOAD that anything prog.

I think this Prog Related lable will have a major impact on prog as a whole and I believe it doesn't make sense at all. These label, in my opinon, applies for bands that aren't progressive, but have their influences on prog. The bands that are included on it are progressive for me: Adrian Belew, Peter Gabriel, Saga, Styx, Triumph, Roger Waters, Alan Parsons, Asia, Jon Anderson. And what the hell is Primus doing there???? Sorry, but whoever did it must be on drugs. They are a Jam Rock band that should be a category or label where you can include bands like Phish, Oysterhead and all Les Claypool's projects. Now I understand why the site is deteriorating...

As I said on one of my posts, A band is prog or is not. A band can have their prog influences and hence become progressive like all Neo Progressive bands which had their influences from progressive rock bands, but there is not a single band in the whole world that have their influences from prog and ain't prog... Doesn't make sense...

My last words are that people should be more careful on putting down quotes like this:

In recent years, the most commercially viable category of prog has been progressive metal. These bands are usually happy to be known as progressive, and produce very long pieces and concept albums. Several of the leading bands in the prog-metal genre (particularly Dream Theater) cite pioneer progressive hard-rockers Rush as a prime influence. Meanwhile, other heavy metal bands not generally considered prog-metal, such as System of a Down, have nevertheless incorporated prog-influenced elements like bizarre shifts in time signatures and tempo in their music.

Or else, we will have pissed off/neurotic people like The Protologist or R_DeNiro...

Don Quito wrote: R_DeNIRO wrote: Don Quito wrote: R_DeNIRO wrote: System of a Down in the site... I hope you are kidding, do you know that Rammstein have keyboards in all they songs, why not include them also in prog related? And we can include Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Korn... (they covered a Pink Floyd song). Then we can erase of the site Genesis, Yes, Rush, Dream Theater, Camel, King Crimson... and this will be the f**king NuMetal archives. The day this could happen I will leave this web inmediatly. What will be the next? Keyboards are not a major concern for categorizing a band as prog or not. But, let me ask you, Isn't prog also described as the use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings. Pieces with multiple time signatures??? I didn't know you wanted to include Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and Korn on the Archives... This is the point, only the keyboards doesn't make a band prog, only unusual time signatures, scales or tunings neither. I mentioned limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and Korn because are more similar to SOAD that anything prog. Sorry, but I don't see that in those bands. Still, I try not to waist my time or money listenning to that junk... But I really don't think much complexity in bands like those you have mentioned...

I don´t waste my time in them too. But in the past I listened to them, fortunatly, my musical taste have an evolution to prog, that's the reason I think it's a shame to include bands like SOAD.

Man Overboard wrote: R_DeNIRO wrote: Even called SOAD heavy metal is excessive. They are Nu Metal. Just listen to Chop Suey, for example. Is it prog? Where is the complex structure? When do you see a prog band so, so, so repetitive? Red was a pretty repetitive track, but no one says anything. Listen to "Aerials" from that same record.  Not prog, but definitely not nu-metal.

Listen to Question! from Mezmerize. Not prog, not sure if its nu-metal, but it fits well under your so called prog related label...

Retrovertigo wrote: Alright, I'm going to explain why SOAD can be misinterpretted as prog. One, they use Eastern instruments because they're Armenian, and care about their heritage and want to bring it over here to an extent. Two, they use switching time signatures (which is not at all a trademark of prog) because they're influenced by the craziness of Mr. Bungle. I love SOAD, but damn I'm sick of all this crap.

If Mr. Bungle is labeled as RIO/Avant-Prog and SOAD are influenced by their craziness, so you mean that SOAD are still prog related... Curious and still ironical to me...

On the other hand, if keyboards and the use of time signatures are not at all a trademark of prog, then what is the trademark for a band to be classified as prog????

Men, your scientifical explanation still doesn't convinces me...