Anyone a fan of rap

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Teaflax wrote: Well, let me just add this; I think anyone who knows a bit about music should be able to respect a lot more music than they actually would want to listen to.   Wise words , hope you apply them also when you talk about such bands like Kansas and even non Prog as Meatloaf and I'm 100% sure there will be no problems.   Iván

Anyone who knows a bit about music also knows about what they DON'T like, and it's fine to not like a band if you have heard them and know why you can't connect with them.  His point is that maybe you could show respect for some hip-hop artists without actually being obligated to listen to them regularly, instead of dismissing them out of hand.

I dont want to be choosing sides in this little catfight, but that's how I feel about that subject...

Well, Wolf. I don't see why it is that you feel the need to continuously spell it Wrap? It's only marginally less annoying than the ever-popular (c)Rap and doesn't really do anything except note that you don't like it. Imagine someone trying to discuss their lack of appreciation for Progressive Rock and calling it "Frog Rock" throughout. It doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't certain genres  I am disrespectful of - or at least some of the signature acts of those genres (and it's inevitably about me seeing them as pandering to a lowest common denominator, an accusation that certainly fits the bill for most mainstream Rap) - but I still don't see the point of warping their names, unless maybe it's done once for effect when trying to make a particular point.

wolf0621 wrote: Has Ivan run out of gas?

I've stopped responding to him, since he he reads way too many things into what I write.

wolf0621 wrote: What time is it in Peru (or in Sweden for that matter)?

It's currently 7:20 PM here in Sweden, I would guess Peru is about 7-8 hours earlier, around mid-day.

wolf0621 wrote: You know, I could possibly be turned around on this whole topic with some further convincing arguments (but I do draw the line at yodeling, I don't care how many hours per day of practice are involved)!

If you want to ease your way into getting comfortable with some of the sounds and tropes of the genre, you could do worse than the already recommended Endtroducing... by DJ Shadow. It doesn't contain any rapping, as I recall - or if it does, there's not much of it - and it's often been described as Prog/Hip Hop album. So, that will give you a familiarty with the general nature of the genre, without being overtly unfamiliar.

If that works for you, then try anything by Jean Grae, who by dint of being a smart woman is obviously a bit removed from that male bragging Gangsta Rap that probably is the main exposure most people get to Rap, so you don't have those overtones. Her rhythmic sophistication is pretty much self-evident to anyone who listens closely.

Now, if all that works out...well, then check the two lists posted earlier in the thread.