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Hell no. Doesn't get half the praise it deserves.
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I don't care how prog it is, the music is 5-star material in my book. One of my favorite albums ever.
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Points: 26230 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:47
Its an important album for sure.I havn't listened to it for ages though.The best tracks on it are fantastic but there is some filler IMO.(Moonchild especially)
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Points: 2459 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:48
True, it was an album of enormous importance in prog history.

Even if you don't like King Crimson, you cannot deny the influence this album had on the early Genesis, and on Steve Hackett's solo career.

But if you judge the album purely as a work of art, it's flawed.

Although I like the faster (instrumental) bits of 'Schizoid Man', the sung bits bore the hell out of me - but I admit this may be purely subjective.

'Epitaph' is a different kettle of fish. I was deeply impressed by this track when I was 17, and I loved it to bits, but in spite of its lovely melody, I now feel it sounds incredibly portentous.

As for the title track, it's terribly boring and long-winded. And Pete Sinfields fake 'poetry' just gives me the shivers.

A pity this incarnation of KC never recorded an instrumental album, since the instruments SOUND so good, especially the drums, the flute and the other woodwinds, the lead guitar and the keyboards...

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I dont think this is the best album of prog history, but, im completely sure it is a masterpiece of it

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I totally agree. The most over rated album in the history of rock music. I love King Crimson and own every single album/CD they put out to this day (including club releases) but I do not own the "in the court..." and cannot stand it. It is simplistic and repetitive.
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Points: 974 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:07
Yes, yes, yes! Nice to see someone else thinks the same as me! :)
It sounds so dated now that the only track I can listen to is 'I Talk To The Wind'.
I especially think 21st Schizoid Man is overrated. It sounds like the start to some dodgy TV series to me, such as Captain Scarlet!
Of course, the album will always be rated highly by many, fair enough, but for me it's:
Historically Important, Musically Doubtful.
 
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ahhh.. guess I've found my topic for the night LOL

too important to be written off as overrated... but hahhaha... Moonchild brings that album down in a big way for quality.  The importance is without question.. the album itself... I thought ITWOP a better album.
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I'm not a huge King Crimson fan, but find this to be pretty groundbreaking for it's time. I do think it sounds a bit dated and it's not a favorite of mine; however, you can't deny what it meant for this genre that we love so much.

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HELL NO!

One of the most amazing albums of all time!
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Originally posted by mickstafa mickstafa wrote:

Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

I don't get all the Moonchild hating going on here. I love that track and can listen to the noodling all the time. Its one of the reasonsI like the King Crimson albums I have (Red, Larks' Tongues In Aspic, ITCOTCK). I love the noodling!


Improv is good, but I don't hold Moonchild at all in the same vein as Red or LTiA. It is far too simplistic. I really, really am amazed there is not more moonchild hating going on. I know each person has their own tastes (yadda yadda) but I really don't see how many people can like this track.  Is there a poll on the relevance of moonchild? Wink

Moonchild always gets the skip button after the wonderful 2.5 minute (or so) intro.

"Moonchild" never gets the skip from me; there is some wonderful musical interplay in it. you should open your ears to it. my favorite track of the album, and BECAUSE of that improvisational section. it even beats "21st Century Schizoid Man"


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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2007 at 22:36
Over-rated???.....AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Points: 911 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2007 at 22:37
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Originally posted by Father Tiresias Father Tiresias wrote:

Hell, no !!!

no band had sounded like that at the time!

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Has an album the need to be weird, ultra complex and almost impossible to understand to be a masterpiece?
 
Hell no!!!!!
 
Except for 21st Century Schizoid Man that is the experimental track of the album, King Crimson managed to create a soft but aggressive atmosphere absolutely consistent.
 
The arrangements and the selection of instuments is impeccable, yes some songs keep the ABAB structure, but that's not bad per se, this structure has been used in several genres, the problem is how it is used.
 
The beauty of the album relies in how well the band managed to work using a simple structure and outstanding arrangements and despite being simple essentially, is the main influence for the most complex albums in history and one of the starting points for the most challenging musical genre ever.
 
IMHO It's an amazing work.
 
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Overrated: How can all this millions of idiots don't agree with me that this album is crap if I say it's crap?
            
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Points: 1188 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2007 at 03:30
As a debut album it's really good!
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Points: 2459 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2007 at 03:36
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Overrated: How can all this millions of idiots don't agree with me that this album is crap if I say it's crap?



Please explain.
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Points: 103 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2007 at 05:44

Definetly not, ITCOTCK is probably the strongest debut album from any prog group of that era, perhaps they didn't go on to have as much success after this album as we perhaps may have expected them to, but this album is a very strong debut. Not overated at all.
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