the most hated Genesis song

^lol it wasn't hard to guess what the nature of your post would be, when I noticed the title. Is this the official "Peter" shtick? ;P

edit: oops, new page. referring to Mr. Rideout's usual crusade against strong feeling ;P




Edited by laplace - August 29 2007 at 17:19

^^(page up) I'm with Peter on this one... sorry folks, but the title of this thread makes me want to press clear form rather than Post Reply...

I don't particularly care for latter day Genesis, but I don't really dislike the either. They had a winning brand of AOR that was not bad for 80s chart material, just as long as you didn't confuse it with the classic prog band of the 70s.

Peter wrote: Lighten up, for Pete's sake, ....

The T wrote: Asking this question without "illegal Alien" as a choice is like asking "best Tull album" without TAAB as a choice...   Yes, even Who Dunnit' is better than the atrocity called Illegal Alien.

To quote myself from the favorite Genesis Song poll: As for the constant negativity towards Illegal Alien: 1. I actually liked that song when it came out, and I still like it now.  I have mentioned in other forum topics, I was aware of and liked Phil Collins' era Genesis way before I was aware of Peter Gabriel era Genesis which was way before my prog time.  Therefore, somewhat ironically I am fond of their newer stuff for its "historical" attachment, whereas, the older stuff is still relatively new to me.  I suppose that it just hasn't been drilled in to my head as much as the catchier pop prog songs of the post-Gabriel years.  

rushfan4 wrote:     As to the negative Opeth thread, see the thread "When did Opeth become Prog?".  For Tool, see "I can't get into Tool".  For Dream Theater, see the hundred or so threads that bash them.

I think thread titles like those are still a far cry away from 'Most Hated ____ Song," in terms of overall nastiness and provocation factor.

Questioning a listed band's "prog" status is one thing, observing that you can't "get into" a band another, but I think words like "hated" have a much greater likelihood to offend and inflame.

It's like that  offensive "overrated" thing -- i wish folks would word some of their threads more carefully. (Again, the trouble with that word is that it does not so much refer to the writer's taste, as it condemns the tastes of others.)

Anyway, please understand that I was reading this thread on a bad day. I was feeling tired & down, and many of the posts here -- roundly condemning songs I've long loved, like Harlequin and Battle of Epping Forest, & some I've always liked (More Fool Me, for example) just seem out of place, and unnecessarily nasty,  It's not easy to just sit back and see something which you hold dear get so bashed around -- least of all on a forum supposedly dedicated to the love of prog.

I know, individual songs by listed bands aren't unassailable "sacred cows" (nor should they be), but HATED?

That's just immature, nasty, and looking for a fight, IMO -- a thread tailor-made to offend.

(Hate is such a strong, emotional, provocative word. I think it should be reserved for truly deserving evils and injustices -- at least in print. Try ''least liked.")



Edited by Peter - August 29 2007 at 20:41

Peter you had many good points. I was very careful not to use the word "hate", I don't even hate all the unlistenable crap from radio I'm forced to listen at work, it's just not worth it.

My problem with Epping Forest is indeed a matter of individual taste. I have no problem whatsoever with expressive vocal styles in general, it's just my unfortunate dislike in some colours of Gabriel's voice. And it makes me sad, that Selling England could be a truly great album if it wasn't for this one song I can't enjoy (I'm not a big fan of I Know What I Like either, but More Fool Me is a nice little song).

I'm actually looking forward to getting to know the poppier side of Genesis, because I like Collins's voice and I have a perversion for the pop hits of the 80's.

To be fair, most of the songs in the poll options come from after Genesis classic prog days.

Matt Dickens wrote: Tapfret wrote: Matt Dickens wrote: Tapfret wrote: iguana wrote: Tapfret wrote: I equate it to modes of locomotion.  Once you learn to walk, you rarely go back to crawling. Unless you need to get into some tight area where you can't really stand to do some job that requires the crawl function.  Pop songs are like crawling, prog is lke walking.  Once you have discovered prog or jazz or some other thoughtful music you only need pop for the odd job like dancing with a hot chick or something. Otherwise, what the hell's the point? oh, my, it's quotes like these why us prog fans cannot walk around in public without people jeering and pointing the finger at us...     Funny, I am almost never jeered or pointed at. Are you?   I don't know about that, it seems like an unfair metaphor; as though you are trying to emply that anyone with different musical tastes than your own are inferior to you.   They are, get over it.   Then it has been said....they are inferior to the both of us then.

ah, sarcasm... luv it.

i also plead guilty of at times taking me and my sick music taste a tad too seriously... we shouldn't really. it's simply (great and imaginative) music.
i am equally comfortable listening to good punk rock or electronica.
or good pop songs like latter-day genesis are capable of creating.