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Poll Question: Which artist have you discussed more at PA?
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    Posted: December 03 2007 at 19:34
Both were drummers involved in bands that predate their PA included bands.
Both were composers, lyricists, and vocalists.
Both have voiced an appreciation for pop music, and both have been involved in jazz fusion.
Both were in important bands in the archives before pursuing solo careers.
Both were drummers but left it (at one time) for different reasons: Wyatt because of his accident, and Collins for aesthetic reasons, and so that he could easier focus on his role as a songwriter and singer.
etc.

My question is not who is the more creative, talented, or innovative.  Nor is it who had the bigger impact on music.  It's not who was the better musician, singer, lyricist, or composer.  It's not who has more integrity, or who you prefer. It's not about who was the bigger force in progressive music, who had the better bands and the better solo career.  It's not about who is better looking, a nicer guy, is more likely to play Santa or Oliver twist. I'm not asking which provokes a stronger reaction.  It's not about a lot of things.  I'm sure you'll be able of lots of things it is not about too.  So here's what it is about... The question is: which artist have you mentioned or discussed more at PA?  Based on recollection.

And I mean specifically talked about: just mentioning projects they were in is not enough, but posting in a topic about either one specifically is.

I'm mildly curious to see the percentages even if a silly exercise.  Of course Genesis is a more popular band than Soft Machine, and proggers are more likely to prefer solo Wyatt than solo Collins.  And of course Collins elicits a strong reaction from many (but please no "bashing" of either artist here).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 19:42
I'm pretty sure I discuss Wyatt more than Collins.

BTW Wyatt didn't leave the Softs because of his accident, he left for personal reasons a few months earlier. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 19:45
I know, I do seem to remember that he left Matching Mole due to his accident, though.  Weren't they touring at the time of his accident?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 19:47
Of course he didn't. He was in Matching Mole in between :)

Edit: DOH!


Edited by Evans - December 03 2007 at 19:50

'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 19:51
Yeah, indeed, he'd left Soft Machine well before; he hadn't liked the direction they were going amongst other things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 20:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 21:50
I LOVE Wyatt and The Soft Machine, but I suppose I'll say Collins.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 21:51
I get tired of people slamming Phil because his solo stuff became commercial.
He's twice the drummer & singer that Robert Wyatt ever was.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 22:16
Don't really know too much about Wyatt. I don't have too much care for Collins outside of Gabriel Genesis.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 22:17
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator

I get tired of people slamming Phil because his solo stuff became commercial.
He's twice the drummer & singer that Robert Wyatt ever was.


Them's fightin' words. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 22:26
I started an infamous add Phil Collins to PA thread and I have never spoke of Robert Wyatt (until now) so easily I have spoke more about Phil Collins than I have Robert Wyatt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 00:19
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator

I get tired of people slamming Phil because his solo stuff became commercial.
He's twice the drummer & singer that Robert Wyatt ever was.


That's why I made this a no-bashing thread, and a reason why I asked such a non-confrontational and uninteresting question.  And many questions would come across as loaded -- they both have their strengths, I feel.  But I'd rather thought that Collins solo career started commercial, rather than becoming commercial.  But I'm no expert.  He certainly found much commercial success quickly.

I think Phil Collins was and is a very good drummer and singer (I happen to generally prefer his voice to Gabriel's in Genesis though I find Gabriel's solo career much more enjoyable than Collins).  I happen to prefer Robert Wyatt's career to Phil Collins and Gabriel (not just solo career), but then I'm a big Canterbury fan, and Robert Wyatt is a key figure in Canterbury -- more than Phil Collins is a key figure in symphonic Prog.

I don't know for sure who was the better drummer (but Phil Collins commonly gets listed amongst the best Prog drummers, unlike Robert Wyatt).  I like Wyatt's style, but also like Collins.  Collins has a voice that more people would like, certainly, and from a more traditional point of view, I'm sure it would be generally considered better.  Technically better by common standards, I would think, but Wyatt conveys something to me, an honesty and immediacy that appeals to me (it's not that polished).  I can feel his presence as a person more, somehow (it seems more personable and real for me).  Collins tends to be very polished, and I like the music, but he leaves me a little colder -- like he's more distant from the audience (which he is when he has played stadiums), whereas one can imagine Wyatt playing small smoky venues and chatting with the audience in a more intimate experience. 

I just find him more personable, and personally appealing (a big part of that is the unrefined or unpolished, whatever word fits best, vocal delivery).  Maybe the most important thing to me is the differences in attitude in how they express themselves through the music/ lyrics.  I've long liked many songs by Collins, by the way, so this is no real criticism of Collins, nor does it bother me that he found such commercial success -- he's VERY good at what he does.

I love all of Wyatt's albums -- the humour, whimsy, pathos, observations and the music, but also the personality as I see it.

There are just different ways to see things.  I happen to prefer Wyatt's compositions and career path on the whole to Collins, but Collins has way more admirers (and I admire his talents too).

Anyway, I've mentioned both plenty of times, but over the last year I think I've mentioned Wyatt much more.


Edited by Logan - December 04 2007 at 00:19
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 00:27
By name, Wyatt. I don't talk much about Collins solo. Those threads get so stupid, while on the other hand I'm really enjoying what I hear from Wyatt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 01:05
Originally posted by rushfan4

I started an infamous add Phil Collins to PA thread and I have never spoke of Robert Wyatt (until now) so easily I have spoke more about Phil Collins than I have Robert Wyatt.


Ah, yes, a classic.  He is the only member of Genesis whose solo career is not in the archives, is he not?  Well him and the other drummers like Silver and Mayhew whose careers outside of Genesis I know nothing of (nor if they released solo albums).  But of the better known members, he is the odd man out.

Originally posted by moreitsythanyou

By name, Wyatt. I don't talk much about Collins solo. Those threads get so stupid, while on the other hand I'm really enjoying what I hear from Wyatt.


Stupid can be fun -- some of those threads are quite funny; but then there's usually a fair bit of rancor in them.  I myself played a part in a recently locked thread -- thought my post was kind of amusing.  Some people just take things too personally or seriously at times (including me). 

I find Wyatt quite inspirational.  He seems to be a man of conviction, and comes across as sincere, with good wit to boot, which is part of the charm.  I also find his music very satisfying.  And Phil Collins was terrific in South Park! ->Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 07:28
robert more real for me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 07:33
I actually like them both, but Wyatt has stayed more consistently progressive in his output, whereas Collins really gave up on it.  So I of course voted for Collins (kidding).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 07:35
Originally posted by Logan

And Phil Collins was terrific in South Park! ->Wink

Are we talking the episode with Phil Collins' hill or did I miss one?

Good poll BTW, I much prefer an apples to apples comparison to an apples to oranges. Big%20smile


Edited by Slartibartfast - December 04 2007 at 07:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 07:43
I've mentioned Wyatt more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 08:01
I discussed Wyatt slightly more, if for nothing else, for  different recommendation threads.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 08:20
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator

I get tired of people slamming Phil because his solo stuff became commercial.
He's twice the drummer & singer that Robert Wyatt ever was.
 
Less is more Wink


Edited by A B Negative - May 20 2008 at 12:58
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