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    Posted: April 07 2010 at 13:08
Originally posted by Deathrabbit

I always thought this site's strength was cataloging unknown gems for people to discover. I think that should be the focus, rather than putting the microscope on every well known band, looking for progressive elements. That's all I have to say on it.

That and Primus really needs to be in the Eclectic category /hypocrisy


Well, your signature doesn't reveal wherefrom you hail, but as a general note people would benefit from considering that what is well known in their own backyard might not be well known with your neighbour. Particularly not if you're American, curiously enough. Examplewise I'm not familiar with Primus touring once in Europe, probably with good and economically justified cause. I've known Rush to have had one tour in the northern half of Europe the last 20 years or so, and Nine Inch Nails just don't sell as much here. I might be unprecise, but you get the general picture. I'm here to find out what's moving in the scene, regardless of whether a band grew up playing prog in a prog club for a prog audience, or whether commercial success in parts of the world might have disqualified certain bands in certain people's eyes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2010 at 12:51
Originally posted by Deathrabbit

I always thought this site's strength was cataloging unknown gems for people to discover. I think that should be the focus, rather than putting the microscope on every well known band, looking for progressive elements. That's all I have to say on it.

That and Primus really needs to be in the Eclectic category /hypocrisy


That means you're arguing for either a purge of the well-knowns or pulling up the ladder on well-knowns that aren't here yet.  Just to let you know, I've been on the Crossover Team for a few months now and most of our additions aren't well known.  Some are very new to the scene. 

And always remember "as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know." - Donald Rumsfeld.

Also, here at Prog Archives we never ever ever move an artist from the category they are added to initially.  Nor do we ever ever ever spit an established category into other categories.  Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2010 at 10:38
I always thought this site's strength was cataloging unknown gems for people to discover. I think that should be the focus, rather than putting the microscope on every well known band, looking for progressive elements. That's all I have to say on it.

That and Primus really needs to be in the Eclectic category /hypocrisy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2010 at 13:38
It, generally-speaking, should be rock based music though, since this site focuses on progressive rock.  I certainly think that this site should be very experimental rock and avant-garde rock friendly.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2010 at 13:33
NIN are great but to put them in here suggests that anything avant-garde in its respective genre deserves a place here.

That essentially means every post-rock, contemporary classical and free jazz band as well.

I'm not 100% sure on how to define what goes here so fair enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2010 at 17:39
Originally posted by Desoc

Honestly, it seems the rules have overruled the rulemakers.

The criteria for Prog Related are now way too strict, channeling every and any band into Crossover Prog. I don't think that was the intention.

My advice: Change the odd critera for Prog Related. Keep Prog Related as an open category for bands and artists that should be included on a more or less emotional basis (generelly regarded), as seems to be the case with many suggestions. And channel the wildcards from Crossover to Related.

I agree; the requirements for Prog Related are silly - specifically "Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community". Most of the 100% prog bands here haven't influenced the development of progressive rock (but rather derived from it), so how can we expect the Prog related ones to? Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2010 at 07:19
It's been interesting to watch the site traffic as reported by Alexa after this addition though ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2010 at 04:40
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes



So basically... Billy Idol for prog archives!

There goes the neighborhood?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 23:14


So basically... Billy Idol for prog archives!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 22:21
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I never thought I'd see them added, and I was unsure NIN is even a good addition. Nonetheless I am absolutely enthralled that they/he are here. The Downward Spiral and The Fragile are two albums I put on a pedestal and are two absolute favorites. I love pretty much anything else Trent makes, with The Slip probably being the only weak NIN album IMO.

I'll have to get in a review for The Downward Spiral soon. Perfection! Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 22:09
I never thought I'd see them added, and I was unsure NIN is even a good addition. Nonetheless I am absolutely enthralled that they/he are here. The Downward Spiral and The Fragile are two albums I put on a pedestal and are two absolute favorites. I love pretty much anything else Trent makes, with The Slip probably being the only weak NIN album IMO.

I'll have to get in a review for The Downward Spiral soon. Perfection! Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:06
Originally posted by King Crimson776


Anyway, I say, if we have a bunch of  Power Metal, why not NIN. The more the merrier! :P


took the liberty of editting your quote... but agree 110% with the sentiment..


there is a LOT of stuff here I personally don't believe belong here...   lots that I believe that should be that has been rejected...


anyhow.. posted this in the collab zone ...   and dare anyone to find the fault in the logic... this site is a repository of all the differing views of prog.. and if one knows anything of prog.. you know there are as many of those as members we have here.



Originally posted by micky


it's like I said earlier....   why are people more upset at what is added...  rather than what isn't added.

if one doesn't agree.. or like the group...  so what.. who the hell are YOU.. really?   What about the people that DO think the group belongs... 


who is the site for....  them....the general membership and prog explorers..  or you(us)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2010 at 16:24
Although... why is say, Asia, or fricken Nightwish more prog than NIN? Because they are all "symphonic" sounding? At least NIN has progressive song structures occasionally. Although it is usually pop song structure (but again, so are Asia, Nightwish and many other bands on the site).

Anyway, I say, if we have a bunch of stupid Power Metal, why not NIN. The more the merrier! :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2010 at 11:30
Originally posted by Slartibartfast

 
I kind of get the feeling this won't sit right with a lot of people.

What else is new? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2010 at 05:16
Personally I thought their later albums, which were used as arguments for their inclusion, presented the weakest arguments. The Fragile and The Downwards Spiral sold a rather skeptical me on this suggestion though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2010 at 02:59
Originally posted by Windhawk

Nine Inch Nails have been added to Crossover.
 
Did they change their musical orientation at some point ? I always heard about them as an industrial rock/metal band.
Who's next : oomph, rammstein, ministry ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2010 at 21:18
Honestly, it seems the rules have overruled the rulemakers.

The criteria for Prog Related are now way too strict, channeling every and any band into Crossover Prog. I don't think that was the intention.

My advice: Change the odd critera for Prog Related. Keep Prog Related as an open category for bands and artists that should be included on a more or less emotional basis (generelly regarded), as seems to be the case with many suggestions. And channel the wildcards from Crossover to Related.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2010 at 20:48
Personally, I think NIN would fit much better in the Prog Related category then in Crossover.  There may be progressive/experimental traits in their music, but I really wouldn't go so far as to include them in the progressive genre.  Not really a huge deal but I'm borderline OCD, so it kinda bugs me.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2010 at 20:12
NIN are here to stay.......................move onSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2010 at 19:13
Quite a shock to see them added.  Right or wrong, the barriers to entry keep getting lower.  Of course if this is an April Fools joke, I would have hoped for better.Sleepy


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