Flower Kings Appreciation Thread

Horizons wrote: which is why W&W is an actual masterpiece, and Trick is just awful

dennismoore wrote: infandous wrote: You do remember that since Back In The World, The Flower Kings released an album every year, or at least every other year, up until 2008 (and 1998 was a live album, 2003 was a live album and DVD, and 2005 was a bunch of solo stuff.......only missing an album a year 3 times in 12 years is pretty darn good, especially when you consider the generally extremely high quality of each and every one of those releases).  So I think you are worried for no reason.  Frankly, I think they took way too much time to come up with a clunker like Banks   Dude, I don't remember anything.  I am married and have a toddler. My life is one continual attempt to keep my head above water to breath!   You have it backwards(alas, as always)  The fact the lads took their time to release Banks of Eden is a testament to its superiority.  Go back to your King Crimson "math rock", I'm starting to think you are as tone deaf as Robert Fripp.             Oh, the new 2013 Sanguine Hum record is outstanding.  More young lads from the UK making good.   Has anybody heard the new Simon Collins record?

Well, there is no accounting for taste.  Yours, anyway

As you well know, I'm not a fan of "math rock" and don't consider Crimson to be in that category (unless you talk about Discipline and after...........stuff I don't own or listen to.....or like very much).  I am most certainly not tone deaf, as the musicians I've performed with over the years can attest.

I can accept that most people here find Banks really good.  Heck, even I think it's pretty good.  But not great by any stretch of the imagination.  In my personal opinion, of course, since there is no other way to judge music.

What I don't understand is how you could put Banks in the same league as Stardust We Are, Flower Power, Space Revolver, Unfold the Future, etc.......or even consider it superior to those.  It clearly is not.

Not familiar with either of the artists you mention.  I assume I can safely avoid them, since you enjoy them





Edited by infandous - June 11 2013 at 09:06

Ok, the first few posts on this page are absolutely hysterical.  Mike and Dennis, you two are cracking me up.

infandous wrote: Nov wrote: Horizons wrote: which is why W&W is an actual masterpiece, and Trick is just awful CONGRATULATIONS!! I just did a quick survey and you are literally the only Genesis fan in the world who thinks that Trick is awful  Actually, I much prefer W&W over Trick (consider W&W almost a masterpiece, actually).  However, I would not ever say Trick was awful.......just not very good

I much prefer Wind & Wuthering to Trick of the Tail, simply because it has some absolute classics - Blood on the roof-tops (Spoilt a tad by Collins singing I grant you...but a classic none-the-less) also Longer Tracks - One For The Vine and Eleventh Earl Of Mar - I even like All in a Mouse's Night - because of the ending is just excellent prog.....However - Your Own Special Way - bloody awful - take that off and replace it with Inside & Out - That would take W&W and put it alongside Nursery Cryme......Whos WITH ME!!!!

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Roland113 wrote: Ok, the first few posts on this page are absolutely hysterical.  Mike and Dennis, you two are cracking me up. I've done a series of top tens / twenties over the years, and I can honestly say that the four Genesis albums from Selling England through Wind and Wuthering always end up on any list greater than ten.  If it's only a top ten, at least two if not three of those four albums will show up. A Trick of the Tail is easily my all time favorite album, but Wind and Wuthering is pretty much a top ten album as well so put me in the 'both please' category.

M27Barney wrote: I think that Trick is a good album, don't get me wrong - Dance on a volcano / entangled / Squonk's not too bad _ don't mind ripples - but I don't like the title track  - W & W feels far more like the older Genesis to me - a sort of Nostalgia trip before Hackett did one.....Top 10 Album though......no way it may make my top 500 perhaps? My Top ten changes from year to year though - but TOTT has never been anywhere near....

infandous wrote: Though, to be honest, I don't think I've ever heard Inside & Out.  I probably should.

M27Barney wrote: I think that Trick is a good album, don't get me wrong - Dance on a volcano / entangled / Squonk's not too bad _ don't mind ripples - but I don't like the title track  - W & W feels far more like the older Genesis to me - a sort of Nostalgia trip before Hackett did one.....Top 10 Album though......no way it may make my top 500 perhaps? My Top ten changes from year to year though - but TOTT has never been anywhere near....

I agree with all this.  My take as well.  I don't dislike Trick, I just find it a much less enjoyable album than W&W.  Unlike W&W there are at least 2 tracks I don't care for at all.

Roj wrote: Hmmm, I've always thought WAW to be one of Genesis' best.  I'd go:-1.  Selling England (of course)2.  The Lamb3.  Wind and WutheringNursery Cryme, Trick and Duke are all excellent too.However the best Genesis album is definitely Seconds Out.  One of the definitive live albums, a total masterpiece.  A big thanks to Barney for playing me this way back in the late 70s and introducing me to Genesis.  Whilst at that time I was already a proggie and well into Floyd, ELP and Yes I had not heard Genesis before then and have never looked back.

Yeah, Second Out is essential. I love Cinema Show on there.