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    Posted: April 30 2013 at 04:37
Originally posted by FunkyHomoSapien

what you might call middle of the road prog
 
The middle of the road is the most dangerous place - you could get hit from two different directions, and you're the furthest distance from safety. Wink
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what you might call middle of the road prog
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Post Options Post Options   Quote carlmarx38 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2013 at 09:03

    I would add that P.A. is more "inclusive" of the scene as a whole...PA covers the "Global" scene, and hence gives
  considerable visiblility to bands like Magma (French), PFM (Italian), Banco (Italian), Riverside (Polish), 
   Pain of Salvation (Swedish),....etc. Prog Magazine creates the illusion that there is a "thriving" Prog scene with
   bands like TOUCHSTONE, THE REASONING, etc., even though these bands rarely play gigs outside of the UK
   (and even in the UK they often play 200-300 seat shows).
       Of course the same can be said for PA......We create the "illusion" that bands like ANGLAGARD are more popular than they actually are (958 ratings for Hybris ?)...when in fact these bands can rarely afford to play gigs,
    even in their own country !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2013 at 05:29
Nice comment from a reader in the latest issue
 
"I think the majority of those interested in prog music consider ProgArchives as the best  "Progapedia".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2013 at 04:52
Originally posted by Dean

^ I would imagine their disc inclusion fees would be set by advertising rates rather than CD production rates so that the £800 is possibly comparable to the cost of running an advertisment in the same mag.
 
Considering one of my old bands paid £1000 to record and manufacture a single, which sold about 3 copies, then £800 for inclusion on a CD which goes to several thousand people of your target audience (i.e.prog fans) then that doesn't sound too bad a deal to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2013 at 01:14
They include lots of less-known bands as well as the obvious ones.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2013 at 10:41
I've been picking up the mag on and off since it came out....I wish they would spend more time on the obscure/less well known  bands and do a feature on them once in a while. It seems like they focus on just the big names most of the time.
Of course that's what sells but it gets a bit boring .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2013 at 12:25
I got this issue a few days ago, it's good if you like Rush.  There's also pieces on Karl Bartos, Todd Rundgren, Miles Davis, Kevin Ayers, Marillion, and Roger Hodgson, plus new things.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2013 at 11:38
"Rash".  Also, note the symbol on Geddy's bass.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AtomicCrimsonRush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2013 at 10:23
New mag out soon


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Post Options Post Options   Quote deafmoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2013 at 13:12
Go to any Barnes and Noble Bookstore and they carry it. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:27
The magazine's been running now for four years - maybe a year from now they'll publish their own book of highlights as a fifth anniversary thing.  Then we can have it without the adverts, without the interview-to-promote-latest-tour, just put all the best stuff together, maybe 500 pages will do?
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New mag jacket looks nice


also inside cover

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 17:54
My band was once on another mag's CD, it cost us about £320.  I think it was worth it for being on sale in train stations all over the UK, and selling 20,000 copies in a month.  (works out around 2p per copy)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 03:10
(Not wanting to defend Future publishing too much, but not just to be contrary either): The purpose of a cover-mount is to sell the magazine, it's a freebie enticement to the punters, the benefit to the bands on the CD is secondary. A CD of unsigned bands is not going to fulfil that purpose, only a limited number of people are going to be enticed into buying the magazine for a CD of unsigned unknown bands, therefore the fee is understandable - a 100% mark-up on that is more difficult to explain but Future publishing is a business not a public service.
 
One thing I wasn't aware of until I saw a recording contract (in this case from a PHD imprint label) is that the band was expected to donate tracks for compilation albums royalty free as that is considered to be part of the promotion costs of the album.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ajay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 02:57
That's great, Dean.

Back on topic: so the unsigned bands are paying for the production of the CD, and the magazine is pocketing at least the same amount.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 02:45
So for the kind of money you are talking about (betwen £500 and £800) you can get a track on a cover-mount CD or a (say) full-page adertisement in the same magazine that has a circulation of 10-20,000. Or you can have 1,000 of your own (glass-pressed) CDs manufactured in jewel case with an 8-page full-colour artwork. Of course it makes sense to have something to promote if you are going to pay to promote and since this particular cover-mount is concerning unsigned bands then the band will be paying for that too.
 
As Sonia said, a signed band paid nothing to have a track on the cover-mount, yet unsigned bands pay to be included - as I recall Metal Hammer has a similar policy, as do many gig promoters (headline act gets a guarantee, signed support gets a percentage, unsigned support pays to play).


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Thanks, Kati.

€350 is about £300.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 19:24
I don't know much about this topic in terms of costs to be published in prog rock magazine, I do however have forefront experience with a band that paid nothing to have one song included in the various artists cd and should they want half page promoting them on a page inside the mag, it would cost them 350Euros. I am not aware of other rates charged/mentioned above. My knowleadge of the costs is limited thus I cannot corfirm nor deny. Ermm

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:33
^ I would imagine their disc inclusion fees would be set by advertising rates rather than CD production rates so that the £800 is possibly comparable to the cost of running an advertisment in the same mag.
 


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