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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:10
Did anyone buy that last issue? 
Also, what day is the next issue due out?  It must be sometime this month, I think.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ajay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:07
Speaking to the point of how much of Prog's expenses are paid for by bands...

In January, I read about Prog's proposed unsigned bands CD and noted "that a fee is involved for inclusion on the CD." So I emailed sales exec Laura Richardson for more information.

The details which came back to me from senior sales exec Katie Taylor included the cost: 800 + VAT per track for 8mins max. (To Americans and Australians, 800 is about $1200, and standard VAT is 20%.)

I was gobsmacked. I know the claimed circulation for Prog magazine, and I know the unit cost to produce a CD in a cardboard jacket from existing audio tracks on that scale. By my calculations, even if I assumed that none of the cover price of the magazine would go towards the cost of the CD, it appeared to me that not even half the money which Prog was asking from unsigned bands would be needed to produce the CD.

I may not have been the only one who noticed this, because a little over a week later, I received a further email from Laura Richardson which offered a discounted price of 500 + VAT. (8min max track length).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:33
^ I would imagine their disc inclusion fees would be set by advertising rates rather than CD production rates so that the 800 is possibly comparable to the cost of running an advertisment in the same mag.
 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 19:24
I don't know much about this topic in terms of costs to be published in prog rock magazine, I do however have forefront experience with a band that paid nothing to have one song included in the various artists cd and should they want half page promoting them on a page inside the mag, it would cost them 350Euros. I am not aware of other rates charged/mentioned above. My knowleadge of the costs is limited thus I cannot corfirm nor deny. Ermm

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ajay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:15
Thanks, Kati.

350 is about 300.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 02:45
So for the kind of money you are talking about (betwen 500 and 800) you can get a track on a cover-mount CD or a (say) full-page adertisement in the same magazine that has a circulation of 10-20,000. Or you can have 1,000 of your own (glass-pressed) CDs manufactured in jewel case with an 8-page full-colour artwork. Of course it makes sense to have something to promote if you are going to pay to promote and since this particular cover-mount is concerning unsigned bands then the band will be paying for that too.
 
As Sonia said, a signed band paid nothing to have a track on the cover-mount, yet unsigned bands pay to be included - as I recall Metal Hammer has a similar policy, as do many gig promoters (headline act gets a guarantee, signed support gets a percentage, unsigned support pays to play).


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ajay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 02:57
That's great, Dean.

Back on topic: so the unsigned bands are paying for the production of the CD, and the magazine is pocketing at least the same amount.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 03:10
(Not wanting to defend Future publishing too much, but not just to be contrary either): The purpose of a cover-mount is to sell the magazine, it's a freebie enticement to the punters, the benefit to the bands on the CD is secondary. A CD of unsigned bands is not going to fulfil that purpose, only a limited number of people are going to be enticed into buying the magazine for a CD of unsigned unknown bands, therefore the fee is understandable - a 100% mark-up on that is more difficult to explain but Future publishing is a business not a public service.
 
One thing I wasn't aware of until I saw a recording contract (in this case from a PHD imprint label) is that the band was expected to donate tracks for compilation albums royalty free as that is considered to be part of the promotion costs of the album.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 17:54
My band was once on another mag's CD, it cost us about 320.  I think it was worth it for being on sale in train stations all over the UK, and selling 20,000 copies in a month.  (works out around 2p per copy)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AtomicCrimsonRush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2013 at 08:32
New mag jacket looks nice


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:27
The magazine's been running now for four years - maybe a year from now they'll publish their own book of highlights as a fifth anniversary thing.  Then we can have it without the adverts, without the interview-to-promote-latest-tour, just put all the best stuff together, maybe 500 pages will do?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote deafmoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2013 at 13:12
Go to any Barnes and Noble Bookstore and they carry it. Wink
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New mag out soon


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2013 at 11:38
"Rash".  Also, note the symbol on Geddy's bass.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2013 at 12:25
I got this issue a few days ago, it's good if you like Rush.  There's also pieces on Karl Bartos, Todd Rundgren, Miles Davis, Kevin Ayers, Marillion, and Roger Hodgson, plus new things.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2013 at 10:41
I've been picking up the mag on and off since it came out....I wish they would spend more time on the obscure/less well known  bands and do a feature on them once in a while. It seems like they focus on just the big names most of the time.
Of course that's what sells but it gets a bit boring .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2013 at 01:14
They include lots of less-known bands as well as the obvious ones.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2013 at 04:52
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ I would imagine their disc inclusion fees would be set by advertising rates rather than CD production rates so that the 800 is possibly comparable to the cost of running an advertisment in the same mag.
 
Considering one of my old bands paid 1000 to record and manufacture a single, which sold about 3 copies, then 800 for inclusion on a CD which goes to several thousand people of your target audience (i.e.prog fans) then that doesn't sound too bad a deal to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2013 at 05:29
Nice comment from a reader in the latest issue
 
"I think the majority of those interested in prog music consider ProgArchives as the best  "Progapedia".
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    I would add that P.A. is more "inclusive" of the scene as a whole...PA covers the "Global" scene, and hence gives
  considerable visiblility to bands like Magma (French), PFM (Italian), Banco (Italian), Riverside (Polish), 
   Pain of Salvation (Swedish),....etc. Prog Magazine creates the illusion that there is a "thriving" Prog scene with
   bands like TOUCHSTONE, THE REASONING, etc., even though these bands rarely play gigs outside of the UK
   (and even in the UK they often play 200-300 seat shows).
       Of course the same can be said for PA......We create the "illusion" that bands like ANGLAGARD are more popular than they actually are (958 ratings for Hybris ?)...when in fact these bands can rarely afford to play gigs,
    even in their own country !
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