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    Posted: May 16 2015 at 09:49
People here who are interested in the more theoretical social science aspect of politics might find this essay illuminating, as it seeks to explain how moral norms are turned into "ideological superweapons". This happens not surprisingly most often with moral value systems that are religious in origin, but totalitarian . The gist of the essay is that sufficiently powerful and centralized institutionalized ideologies become what the authors call "egregores", i. e. that they get some kind of evolutionary direction independent of what their followers can control on the organizational level. Many religions qualify as such egregores, but so does the modern nation-state too which explains why the checks-and-balances of liberal democracy do not efficiently prevent abuse of power within its constraints.


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If there's anything I've learned from the Ukrainian civil war, it's that with conflicts like these the news media is really good at filtering out every detail that doesn't fit into whatever ideological narrative the respective outlet is trying to sell... in particular if it's something that's happening halfways across the globe from me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2015 at 18:29
Here's some more on it, the first one being the most interesting because the main stream media isn't covering it -

Eyewitnesses: The Baltimore Riots Didn't Start the Way You Think

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/how-baltimore-riots-began-mondawmin-purge

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/04/fox-has-very-bad-night-in-baltimore-fox-get-out-of-here/

The placed a picture on "Baltimore in Flames" on their timeline but the actual picture in from Venezuela's riots back in Feb 2014
http://imgur.com/NJN5664

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I'm pretty anxious about Friday,that is when they are going to release the results of their internal investigation.If it is in favor of the 5 policemen in question this city will explode.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TheProgtologist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2015 at 12:21
This guy had been taunting the lines constantly after the curfew was in effect,and what they did to him really helped to discourage the crowd.I was watching this live,it was pretty awesome.I totally forgot how to hyperlink here and I am exhausted but here's the link.

http://gawker.com/watch-baltimore-police-make-a-protester-disappear-1700856531



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This is a mother who was watching the coverage and recognized her son throwing bricks at police.


I can't help it,I love this city.


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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

^^^ I've seen a clip of your mayor admitting they allowed protestors "space to destroy"

A strange strategy in my opinion, but hey.

How's the curfew going and are the national guard there yet?

With that statement she went from a much beloved,highly thought of mayor to an absolute heel whose political career is over,at least in this state.

National Guard has been here for two days already,about 3k troops.They are literally guarding City Hall,Police Headquarters and the Inner Harbor.Enforcing the curfew last night was a little rocky to start,but after the arrested some people the crowds started to disperse.


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^^^ I've seen a clip of your mayor admitting they allowed protestors "space to destroy"

A strange strategy in my opinion, but hey.

How's the curfew going and are the national guard there yet?
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Actually,Camden Yards is downtown,which is pretty safe and has always had a large police presence.Downtown,The Inner Harbor and Federal Hill are really nice areas of Baltimore.It's north and west Baltimore that you have to stay out of.

If you ever come this way for a game you had better let me know.Me and my wife will show you a great time,hope you like to eat crabs!

If you want to check out this game today that is closed to the public,even just to check it out for a few minutes,MLB.com is streaming the game for free.It starts at 2:05 pm.



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Seriously though, I came on PA to check and see if you had stopped by today.  I am glad to hear that you and your family are OK.   One of these days I would like to go to a game at Camden Yard when the Tigers are there, but I heard that the stadium was in a rough neighborhood and thus far I have not made the trip.  I suspect that this year is out too.
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I saw that they were playing the game closed to the public....now that is the kind of news that would make me go out and protest. Wink 
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Thanks guys,things have calmed down a bit.I live in Southeastern  Baltimore,this started in the west side,and spread east,then started going south.I was pretty worried last night,we had all kids of people roaming our streets.

Everything is closed.Not many buses running,schools cancelled,downtown is closed,the Aquarium and National Science Center and Walter's Art Gallery is closed.There is a week long curfew in the city limits,no one is allowed on the streets after 10pm,and if you are out it better be a medical emergency or you are going to or from work.And they said if you are going to and from work,you better have a note from your employer.

On a very weird side note,2 of the Orioles games against the White Sox have already been postponed,and tomorrow they are going to play at Camden Yards and for the first time in MLB history the game is CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC.They are going to play a MLB game in an empty stadium.WOW



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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

You must have heard of this one. It's the second day this is happening. If this is for Freddie Gray, then what the hell did these protesters need the liquor for? To relieve anxiety?

It goes without saying that the whole thing just looks so freaking stupid. If this is their idea of fighting back, ... Confused Wacko ... they should realize at some point that nothing good will come out of it.

It's pretty tense here.I sat on my porch all night with a 9mm and 12 gauge shotgun to protect my family and home.

I never thought I would see the military patrolling the streets of my city.


Astounding and horrible. I wonder which city it'll kick off in next..

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Shocked 


Stay safe Jody. 

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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

You must have heard of this one. It's the second day this is happening. If this is for Freddie Gray, then what the hell did these protesters need the liquor for? To relieve anxiety?

It goes without saying that the whole thing just looks so freaking stupid. If this is their idea of fighting back, ... Confused Wacko ... they should realize at some point that nothing good will come out of it.

It's pretty tense here.I sat on my porch all night with a 9mm and 12 gauge shotgun to protect my family and home.

I never thought I would see the military patrolling the streets of my city.


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

You must have heard of this one. It's the second day this is happening. If this is for Freddie Gray, then what the hell did these protesters need the liquor for? To relieve anxiety?

It goes without saying that the whole thing just looks so freaking stupid. If this is their idea of fighting back, ... Confused Wacko ... they should realize at some point that nothing good will come out of it.


When proper means of resistence have all turned out to be futile people will often turn to not so productive ones in the time honored tradition of flinging feces at a wall.

If people's idea of solving a situation is to denigrate it as soon as some portion of it turns non-peaceful then they should realize at some point that nothing good will come out of it.
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Blackswords analysis seems correct in my ears, dont forgett also Russia is even more activ and is testing nighouring countrys souverigin borders like Norway, Finalnd, and Sweden, last month Russias vice-primeminister or president was on a secret unofficial trip to Svalbard (Norwegian teritory), to inspect stuff, as some of the coal mines on Spitsbergen is Russion, but it is Norwegian souvrign land/territory, so the Russion ambassadour was pulled on to the Royal Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs RNMoFA, and they were not happy. http://www.tnp.no/norway/politics/4919-norway-to-increase-military-spendings
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2015 at 06:33
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I doubt there'll be another world war, and even if there is it won't be referred to as a 'world war' by our leaders and our media..

It'll be a "Multiple theatre kinetic engagement initiative" or some such sh*t.

I think Henry Kissenger (?) once said that it used to be easier to control a million people than to kill them, but now it's easier just to kill them than to control them.

Or was it the other way round...

Whatever the world has gone bonkers, and we're heading for something, although I suspect it'll just be more economic shocks and increased terror attacks.


I doubt leaders were the ones referring to them as World Wars, anyway. Possibly after the fact, after historians and journalists broke the terms in. Maybe even Churchill did, but I don't know. It's certain the U.S. wouldn't, PR wizards that we are. We don't have a Department of "War" anymore, after all, even if "defense" is certainly not what Iraq was about.

What I imagine will happen is minor terror attacks on the daily around the world, punctuated by larger ones every year or 6 months (Boko Haram, Yemen), punctuated further by huge ones every decade or so (9/11). Then long, drawn-out, misguided conflicts (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iraq Part II: The Islamic State Strikes back). Until eventually Iran or some other rogue nation or group gets the bomb. And they wouldn't even have to use it, mind you. They probably wouldn't even have to build it. Find some schematics on an Iranian server somewhere (Stuxnet) watch a jittery Israel lob some missiles somewhere and the middle east goes wild(er).

I just somehow doubt Russia will enter into it much. It's really just a sad, opportunistic, former power, grabbing inconsequential land to the rest of the world--sorry to say, Ukraine--and flexing its muscles.


I agree with much of that, but I wouldn't say Ukaraine is an inconsequential piece of land. It may be if you live in the US, but it's on Europes doorstep and we don't want Russia playing their games in our backyard, and by the same token we don't want NATO poking them with their missile defence shields, and gathering military hardware in east EU states.

Russia may not be the roaring bear it once was, but that is part of the problem. They still have in excess of 20,000 nuclear warheads and have been investing ever more of their dwindling finances in upgrading their conventional forces. Add to that the fact that Putin is clearly insane and longs for the old days and presides over a Russia who's relations with the west are at an all time low since the "end" of the cold war, and you do have a potential recipe for disaster.

Ukraine are not lillywhite either. Kiev is currently quite happy to allow neo Nazi groups to expand and grow in power and influence while fighting the mutal enemy; the pro Russian seperatists. All it would take for Russian forces to cross that border en-masse is for some 'event' resulting in mass casualties among the rebels giving them the justification to intervene. Obama may not have the belly for this kind of thing, but if Putin sniffs his fear then the Kremlin may well have the belly for it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2015 at 02:06
You must have heard of this one. It's the second day this is happening. If this is for Freddie Gray, then what the hell did these protesters need the liquor for? To relieve anxiety?

It goes without saying that the whole thing just looks so freaking stupid. If this is their idea of fighting back, ... Confused Wacko ... they should realize at some point that nothing good will come out of it.
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I am, like a lot of people, concerned about the future of the world in regard to nuclear weapons.
There are nine countries with nuclear weapons programs and many more with nuclear power
systems that could be converted to weapons systems.
Russia has the largest arsenal (several thousand warheads) with the US being a close second.
The remaining countries have a few hundred or less but it really only takes one launch to blow
the lid off everything.
Add to this the fact that nuclear waste has a shelf life of forever and can be used to make a dirty
bomb. While these are not as powerful as a conventional warhead they could wipe out an entire
city when you consider the initial explosion and the radioactive aftermath. 
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