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Moogtron III
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 13:33 |
JMCecil wrote:
Now come on, that's the second person who put Trespass on the list. I'm all for Genesis (aside from just putting the entire catalog here ). But come on, Trespass is sloppy. Half the songs wander around without point for the majority of their time. I appreciate it as the beginning of the band learning to play together and record music, but "A great record"? I think not. heheh |
Okay, I should't have pushed my luck by mentioning Abacab and Three Sides Live , but Trespass is another story. It has a lot of great melodies, it has Ant Phillips in peak form, and true, it doesn't have the punch of the later records (Hackett and Collins did give the band more energy and dynamics), but they're atmospheric, they have a dream-like quality. There really is not a bad track on it. So bravo for Trespass !
Gabriel's lyrics are very imaginative, although I don't have the foggiest idea what he's all raving on about.
" Yet in the darkness of my mind,
Damascus wasn't far behind"
Don't know what he means, but it sounds fantastic!
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Sound_Chaser
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 13:16 |
JMCecil wrote:
Sound_Chaser wrote:
King Crimson:
3. Lizard 1970
4. Islands 1971 |
You seriously think those 2 are end to end great records?
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Meby not the best allbums ever made but i think they are very good and unique.
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JMCecil
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 13:14 |
Trouserpress wrote:
And again! I just noticed this and I can't let it slide - A Passion Play a bit wobbly?! It's one of their greatest moments!! Minstrel, Passion, Horses and Woods are my top four Tull albums without question! Thick as a Brick pales into comparison to Passion Play.
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Ok then I guess they count. Passion Play is the only one of those that I never listen to. I've tried over and over and I just don't get it. But, support is support. So JT has a REALLY big run of good tunes.
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JMCecil
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 13:12 |
fyi I think Warchild through Stormwatch is one hellavu run of kick assed tunes.
And although I like most of Lizard and even some of Island, I have a hard time having them connect to something is forward as Lark's. It's more like they took a detour between Wake and Lark's. I'm not saying they are bad records by any stretch, just seem a bit disconnected to me.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 13:06 |
JMCecil wrote:
kingofbizzare wrote:
Jethro Tull: This Was Stand Up Benefit Aqualung Thick as a Brick A Passion Play War Child Minstrel in the Gallery Too Old to Rock and Roll; Too Young to Die Songs from the Wood Heavy Horses Stormwatch A The Broadsword and the Beast
That's 14.
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Ok again, lets be objective. A passion play is a bit wobbly
and 'A'???????? Surely you jest. I guess if Presto and
Abacab can be in the list then we would have to let A in. |
And again! I just noticed this and I can't let it slide - A Passion
Play a bit wobbly?! It's one of their greatest moments!! Minstrel,
Passion, Horses and Woods are my top four Tull albums without question!
Thick as a Brick pales into comparison to Passion Play.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 13:05 |
JMCecil wrote:
Sound_Chaser wrote:
King Crimson:
3. Lizard 1970
4. Islands 1971 |
You seriously think those 2 are end to end great records? |
Well I do. Lizard's one of my favourite KC albums.
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JMCecil
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 13:01 |
kingofbizzare wrote:
Jethro Tull: This Was Stand Up Benefit Aqualung Thick as a Brick A Passion Play War Child Minstrel in the Gallery Too Old to Rock and Roll; Too Young to Die Songs from the Wood Heavy Horses Stormwatch A The Broadsword and the Beast
That's 14.
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Ok again, lets be objective. A passion play is a bit wobbly and 'A'???????? Surely you jest. I guess if Presto and Abacab can be in the list then we would have to let A in.
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kingofbizzare
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:58 |
Jethro Tull: This Was Stand Up Benefit Aqualung Thick as a Brick A Passion Play War Child Minstrel in the Gallery Too Old to Rock and Roll; Too Young to Die Songs from the Wood Heavy Horses Stormwatch A The Broadsword and the Beast
That's 14 (16 if you count Living in the Past and Bursting Out)
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JMCecil
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:56 |
Sound_Chaser wrote:
King Crimson:
3. Lizard 1970
4. Islands 1971 |
You seriously think those 2 are end to end great records?
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JMCecil
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:53 |
greenback wrote:
Rush |
I believe putting that in the list is instant disqualification.
Of course, Abacab is here and 3 Sides Live with the earth shatteringly good Paperlate. Yeah that qualifies (although I do have the 4 sides live version with the old stuff which is killer killer killer)
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The Hemulen
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:52 |
I'd definitely say GG: Gentle Giant - Interview/Playing The Fool (9 or
10, depending whether or not we include official live albums).
...Buuuut I am pretty biased!
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Sound_Chaser
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:50 |
King Crimson:
1. In The Court Of The Crimson King 1969
2. In The Wake Of Poseidon 1970
3. Lizard 1970
4. Islands 1971
5. Larks' Tounges In Aspic 1973
6. Starless And Bible Black 1974
7. Red 1974
8. Discipline 1981
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JMCecil
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:50 |
Now come on, that's the second person who put Trespass on the list. I'm all for Genesis (aside from just putting the entire catalog here ). But come on, Trespass is sloppy. Half the songs wander around without point for the majority of their time. I appreciate it as the beginning of the band learning to play together and record music, but "A great record"? I think not. heheh
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greenback
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:48 |
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures
Signals
Grace under Pressure
Power Windows
prologue
ashes are burning
turn of the cards
scheherazade
novella
song for all seasons
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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Moogtron III
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:42 |
My Yes list:
01 Yes
02 Time And A Word
03 The Yes Album
04 Fragile
05 Close To The Edge
06 Yessongs
07 Tales From Topographic Oceans
08 Relayer
09 Going For The One
The first two albums may not be as progressive as the rest, but I love them and I listened to them many, many times.
My Genesis list will do the trick (of the tail, sorry being Pavlovian again, or Freudian, any progressive psychologists around ):
01 Trespass 02 Nursery Cryme 03 Foxtrot
04 Live
05 Selling England by the Pound 06 The Lamb 07 A Trick of the Tail 08 Wind & Wuthering
09 Seconds Out 10 And Then There Were Three
and:
11 Duke
I'll have to defend Duke? Yeah, I thought so. I don't have to defend Behind The Lines, Duchess and The Guide Vocal, do I? And Duke's Travels and Duke's End are allright too? It's not necessary to defend Heathaze and Cul de Sac either, or...?
Man Of Our Times: not Rutherford's best song, but it works within the context of the album. About Misunderstanding: well, I just like it: it's about his marriage breaking up and for a Collins song it's pretty good. I don't like Turn It On too much, but most of the album is: very original, with great drumpatterns (e.g. Behind The Lines) and percussion (e.g. Duchess), keyboard sounds are fantastico, and there's definitely soul in the album.
But I wasn't finished yet:
11 Abacab
12 Three Sides Live
No, I'm not going to defend this. I'm going to run for my life ...
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Miaugion
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:18 |
JMCecil wrote:
I thought they had got it back to together when HYF came out (even though it was little pop-rockish), but seriously I can't stand the production on anything that came after that. I've always wondered what it is about the sound that polarizes people between the pre / post 90s listeners. | Have to agree. Rupert Hine's production is a bit flat and tired, Lee's voice is too far down in the mix, which makes the whole album sound too serious and sedate, even a bit lifeless. I was merely referring to the compositions which are up there with the best melodic rock / AOR tracks one can dream of - provided that one likes American AOR at all.
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You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are
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Joren
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:14 |
VDGG: The Least... - World Record (6)
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JMCecil
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:12 |
Man Erg wrote:
Peter Hammill - Fool's Mate ---to--- Sitting Targets = 10
Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant ---to--- Interview = 9
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Ok, on GG I think one of those is a live album and for whatever reason I don't think Free Hand qualifies so I would be inclined to say 5 in a row. But that's just me.
Can't argue PH..not my cuppa so I'll pass.
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Miaugion
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:08 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I wasn't having a "go" at you . I was just making a point about differences of opinion. | I just wanted to explain why I thought an album that is definitely not one of the band's classics should be listed as well.
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You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are
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JMCecil
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Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:07 |
Miaugion wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I mean someones put Presto up there^ |
I've included it because it's simply a beautifully written, stylistically diverse but harmonically homogenic album that should be referred to as one of the best of its genre (atmospheric/melodic rock with an edge). Of course, it isn't regarded as a Rush classic but the compositions scream 'quality' nonetheless. |
heh, that's cool. Different strokes and all that. The only song on that CD I like is Available Light. I would Like Power Windows but the production was terrible it makes the songs just flat and boring, fortunately the live stuff proves the songs from PW to be very strong. I thought they had got it back to together when HYF came out (even though it was little pop-rockish), but seriously I can't stand the production on anything that came after that. I've always wondered what it is about the sound that polarizes people between the pre / post 90s listeners.
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