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AmericanProgster
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Topic: Ariel (Australian Cross-Over) Posted: March 18 2010 at 10:12 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 17 2010 at 19:02 |
approved for ProgRelated, I will be adding them
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AmericanProgster
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Posted: March 09 2010 at 11:26 |
*raspberry* Figures. You are very welcome anyways. Although I have to say I'm questioning the decision. I mean unless a band is so ridiculously prog, it seems that its automatically going to be an uphill battle. Now, I know that their 4 albums are not completely prog from start to finish but I guess I thought the material they did have were pretty damn convincing.
Oh well, prog related it is then. So whenever that can be done I would be very appreciative for Ariel to be considered for it. For what its worth, thanks anyways! |
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 07 2010 at 15:26 |
Hi AP -- after getting some more opinions, Ariel will not be added at this time. It is felt the material simply does not contain enough prog. This doesn't necessarily mean they'll never be added and I do feel the band represents a kind of typical 70s artrock, but it does mean they'll probably not be looked at again any time soon for a regular Prog genre.
Thanks for your persistence, though, and for sniffing out these obscure bands. |
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AmericanProgster
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 11:45 |
Haha, yeah no problem. Unfortunately, though, thats not the only disco styled song Ariel recorded. On their last album there's a song called Rock Critic that is very disco. I didn't want to mention it because I didn't want to scare anyone away! But yeah, I'll get those songs to you in a day or two.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 23:04 |
^ good to know, if there's a chance you could zip me a file of their more prog material - strictly for evaluation purposes - that'd be ideal.. if the other albums are as you say, that will help their chances, even this horrifying disco cut [a single from '77] has tinges of progrock, clearly a band that was into prog but just as into selling albums ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcKBSj2KKWM&feature=related |
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AmericanProgster
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 00:09 |
Well that first album, callled A Strange Fantastic Dream (1973), is not entirely consistent. Out of the 11 songs, I would say about 5 of them (Jamaican Farewell, No Encores, Garden of the Frenzied Cortinas, Chicken Sh*t, & And if it Wasn't for You) are fully prog while the rest are just quirky rock n roll. Ariel did record a rock opera and concept album in 1974, called The Jellabad Mutant, that wasn't released until 2002. That album is completely consistent with the prog material imo. Enough so that I think The Jellabad Mutant might be more representative of their prog contributions. The album has a total of 9 songs, but only 7 of them relate to the Jellabad Mutant storyline (which are tracks 1-6 & 9, although track 8 does follow the same sound as the rest of the album while track 7 is very out of place). Which is why I think tracks 7 and 8 were put on the cd to fill in time, for the most part. Their third album, Rock n Roll Scars (1975), may also be more consistent then their first album (either that or my definition of prog rock is broader than most). Out of 11 from that album, I would say that most of the album (about 8 songs) is relevant to prog rock. It should be noted that half of Rock n Roll Scars contain re-recordings of past Spectrums/Indelible Murtceps songs. Here's the eight songs I was talking about by the way: Now their fourth and final studio album, Goodnight Fiona (1976), would be the "weakest" of the four. Still a very great album though, but I would say that only 3 songs (Take me for a Ride, Goodnight Fiona, Redwing) would bring some interest to prog rock fans. Although the last song on the album has very good melodies, vocal arrangements, instrumentation. So hopefully some of you will agree with my above statements and get Ariel into ProgArchives. Edited by AmericanProgster - March 03 2010 at 11:45 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 22:31 |
^ I agree, the cut is rather good vintage prog, they should be added and I think we could take them in Heavy P.-- one comparison might be Aussies Fraternity who I added in Eclectic, so either that or Heavy could work..bottom line; they deserve a spot here
more info here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_(band) oh and they shouldn't be confused with the Russian band Ariel of the late 1970s Edited by Atavachron - February 28 2010 at 22:36 |
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Logan
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 18:03 |
This one that Lucas provided is a good track (if the rest was of the same quality then I'd be surprised that it wasn't suggested for another category):
Based on that, I would like to see it in. I like it more and more. It reminds me of Supertramp with some The Who, Queen, Khan etc. good pub/blues rock elements etc. Very good in fact and I'd call it prog. Edited by Logan - February 27 2010 at 18:06 |
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Just a fanboy passin' through.
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:53 |
having a look
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Logan
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:51 |
Just a note though, when a team flat out rejects a band rather than
suggests a move, it means that not only do they not think it right
for that team's category but that they don't think it right for PA at
all (though that was evaluated a little before my team member team so
progfreak might have operated differently then, and of course PA's parameters have shifted too). So this may, possibly, now count
as controversial.
Edited by Logan - February 27 2010 at 17:56 |
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Just a fanboy passin' through.
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Logan
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:31 |
Yeah, heavy (though not altogether heavy), a possibility. Based on that track this is one I think should find a place in PA. Reminds me a bit of Khan (though not as good, imo) and others. I like it.
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Just a fanboy passin' through.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:07 |
I've just did it! |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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lucas
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:05 |
I am going to forward this thread to the heavy prog team.
Edited by lucas - February 27 2010 at 17:05 |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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AmericanProgster
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 17:01 |
So if I could take the time of both the Psych and Heavy Prog teams to eval this band, than I would be very appreciative. I have all of their albums, so if any of the said teams are interested then just send me a pm. Thanks! |
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AmericanProgster
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 16:59 |
That team too! Btw, that so happens to be my YouTube account! What a co-winky-dink! |
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lucas
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 16:42 |
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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AmericanProgster
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 16:34 |
Hey could you psych/space prog guys take a look at Ariel?
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Windhawk
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Posted: December 06 2009 at 22:12 |
Re-evaluations are usually done if new material is available or when an entire new team is in place. So for now I don't think that's possible as those criterias aren't in place.
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AmericanProgster
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Posted: December 06 2009 at 18:34 |
Hmmm....I know this rarely happens and even more rarely works, but is it possible for a re-eval?
Otherwise...thank you! |
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