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jampa17 
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 Topic: Chroma Key
Posted: February 15 2010 at 08:09 |
 Catcher10 wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
And what about songs like Sacrificed sons? |
Great song!! |
Dt has a lot of great songs... I'm one of the biggest fans of them around this places... but we have to be focus... this is a Chroma Key thread, so, for those suceptible DT haters, we should remain focus on Kevin Moore's projects post DT...
Undertow is a song that I feel very related to... I really love his sarcastic manners to refer to things like
"Maybe I'll call you on the phone
Maybe I'll right you a letter
That's what I meant when I say Goodbye...
... Maybe I'll die, maybe I'll learn how to fly...
That's what I meant when I say..."
Just, the exact words I'm thinking of...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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SergiUriah
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Posted: February 13 2010 at 19:23 |
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American Khatru wrote:
I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater. I think now it's never going to happen. Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law. I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities. So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal). It wasn't an argument or anything. I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me. In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can. He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
Well, I did not get turned around. An interesting thing did happen though. Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player. A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed. Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot. I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore. A moment later I found out he left the band after that album. I thought, well, now I really like this guy.  Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now. |
If Awake did not make you a DT fan, nothing will...
But, if you listen to "Space Dye Vest" on Awake, you can hear the beginnings of Chroma Key... |
Absolutely, I did notice that. And it's another DT song I brushed up against liking. It's funny too, because that sort of thing - the Chroma Key kind of thing - is not really what you'd call in my prog wheelhouse. Welp, momma always said you can't account for taste. |
Did you like Wait for Sleep as well...??? I love that song... it always makes me wish to be "within the ashes or up with the smoke from the fire..." |
Excuse me the offtopic, but is the girl on your sign the one of The Cors or is she a latin singer? Thanks. 
Gracias.
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And what about songs like Sacrificed sons? |
Great song!!
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And what about songs like Sacrificed sons?
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I second the recommendations for Falling Into Infinity and Octavarium. Those two are probably the least metallic of DT's catalogue, with lots of more mainstream sounding sounds. There's still a few metal songs, though. And the second disc of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence has some lovely tunes on it, and there isn't that much metal.
Anyone else find FII and Octavarium uplifting albums? When I am feeling down, songs like Hollow Years and The Answer lies Within always uplift me.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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I like Dead Air For Radios a lot, but never cared much for the other Chroma Key albums.
Some of the Kevin Moore titles above have good stuff as well, there's
even a Space Dye Vest where he does the vocals himself.
Also a fan of all OSI albums, but never liked Dream Theatre much, except for Awake and Train of Thought
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Kevin Moore is a genius. The man is like negativland, buggles, and dream theater all rolled up in one. His work with OSI is great, but his solo/chromakey stuff is less angst and just good smooth sonically intelligent music. His piano playing is very very good (esp on dead air for radios). 'You Go now' is good, but Dead Air for Radios is best.
He has some more obscure releases. Some as "Chromakey" some as himself:
Kevin Moore-Ghost Book
Kevin Moore-Music Meant To Be Heard
Kevin Moore-This Is A Recording
Chroma Key-You Go Now
Chroma Key-Dead Air For Radios
Chroma Key-Graveyard Mountain Home
Chroma Key-Memory Hole (online only release... sounds like Negativland (which is a GOOD thing)
All his Kevin Moore/Chroma Key stuff is good. The sad part is, I cant STAND dreamtheater. So the way I see it, DT didn't know how good they had it with Kevin Moore. And IMHO, he is a much better vocalist than ANYONE in DT. (Please dont fight, I know there are a lot of DT fans out there that would hate me for this... but, its how i feel. sorry). And most Moore/ChromaKey stuff is keyboard focused, so if you are a guitar head, you may find this not so your taste. The bass lines are good tho.
Cheers and stuff,
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I won't go that far... and even most of the O.S.I. fans don't think Kev voice is like "gifted" but yeah, it really works for his lyrics and the mood in general... but he is not a formal singer... I think Petrucci and Portnoy makes great chorus when they back up Labrie... but well... I'm glad you are really into Kevin Moore stuff... I only have left to get the Memory Hole... but maybe soon... who knows...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Kevin Moore is a genius. The man is like negativland, buggles, and dream theater all rolled up in one. His work with OSI is great, but his solo/chromakey stuff is less angst and just good smooth sonically intelligent music. His piano playing is very very good (esp on dead air for radios). 'You Go now' is good, but Dead Air for Radios is best.
He has some more obscure releases. Some as "Chromakey" some as himself: Kevin Moore-Ghost Book
Kevin Moore-Music Meant To Be Heard
Kevin Moore-This Is A Recording
Chroma Key-You Go Now
Chroma Key-Dead Air For Radios
Chroma Key-Graveyard Mountain Home
Chroma Key-Memory Hole (online only release... sounds like Negativland (which is a GOOD thing) All his Kevin Moore/Chroma Key stuff is good. The sad part is, I cant STAND dreamtheater. So the way I see it, DT didn't know how good they had it with Kevin Moore. And IMHO, he is a much better vocalist than ANYONE in DT. (Please dont fight, I know there are a lot of DT fans out there that would hate me for this... but, its how i feel. sorry). And most Moore/ChromaKey stuff is keyboard focused, so if you are a guitar head, you may find this not so your taste. The bass lines are good tho. Cheers and stuff,
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Yes, Khatru, I didn't want to sound like I want to convert you... I just thought that you already knew Kevin Moore's work so that's why I ask you for Wait for Sleep... that's all... try to find that song, is very easy to find and it last less than 2:30 minutes, not for DT conversion...
Back to the topic... in the solo album of Kevin "Music Meant to be Heard" there's a song named "Song for Eric (For Tori) in which sings Tori Amos... I don't know if it's a collaboration or if Moore uses samples of her voice but the song sounds great and if it's a collab... it's very interesing, two wonderful piano players with a sofisticated taste on music... just for the record...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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^ Alrighty then. You're all so nice, makes me want to give it a shot and sidle up a bit to some of your suggestions. Don't count on a full conversion though! 
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 Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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Thanks Dell. Just so you understand... I don't have any issue with heavy, I guess it's just how you define it. I'm not per se into what's called 'heavy metal'. But, just to go with some old chestnuts for reference, I love Deep Purple, Black Sabbath (when they're actually good, let's face it) and Led Zeppelin, which are all heavy, grew up on them right along side the prog. I love KC and Tull and ELP, in their many moments, which include the heavy. I throw down with some Throbbing Gristle or Univers Zero any day, get into the crazy side of RPI, like Cervello, get into the jocular side of rock and roll, like BÖC. But that 'metal thing', the requisite chung-chung-chung-chung-CHUNK choked fifth on the guitar, with runs of notes flying up and down the neck in that (typically) one distorted sound, I was just never ever into that.I don't knock it as a legitimate crux of a style of music though, just not for me. The 'chunk' and that style of riff and that cage-based drumming (I'm throwing down lots of labels here for quick description, please don't anyone get up in arms) all serve as a basis for an exploration outward - which of course is where the progginess comes in, to coin a phrase - just as well as, say, a quote of a classical piece, like the use of Brahms in Quella Vecchia Locanda. I guess you can say my style of prog pulls from jazz, folk, classical and maybe blues influences. There are of course occasional exceptions.
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Sorry, ofcourse by "Heavy" I meant "Heavy Metal" of the sort of Metallica and so on. I wasn't even born yet by the time of Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc, so for me they aren't heavy, just something like "Hard Rock", I don't know... however I did remember you liked music not so soft (well, to like prog you must like music that's not soft). However, those pieces I mentioned contain very little or nothing of the tipical "Metal thing" or sound, of the guitar, though they may get Wacky in a proggy kind of way, that's why I thought you could give them a listen.
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American Khatru wrote:
Thanks Dell. Just so you understand... I don't have any issue with heavy, I guess it's just how you define it. I'm not per se into what's called 'heavy metal'. But, just to go with some old chestnuts for reference, I love Deep Purple, Black Sabbath (when they're actually good, let's face it) and Led Zeppelin, which are all heavy, grew up on them right along side the prog. I love KC and Tull and ELP, in their many moments, which include the heavy. I throw down with some Throbbing Gristle or Univers Zero any day, get into the crazy side of RPI, like Cervello, get into the jocular side of rock and roll, like BÖC. But that 'metal thing', the requisite chung-chung-chung-chung-CHUNK choked fifth on the guitar, with runs of notes flying up and down the neck in that (typically) one distorted sound, I was just never ever into that.
I don't knock it as a legitimate crux of a style of music though, just not for me. The 'chunk' and that style of riff and that cage-based drumming (I'm throwing down lots of labels here for quick description, please don't anyone get up in arms) all serve as a basis for an exploration outward - which of course is where the progginess comes in, to coin a phrase - just as well as, say, a quote of a classical piece, like the use of Brahms in Quella Vecchia Locanda. I guess you can say my style of prog pulls from jazz, folk, classical and maybe blues influences. There are of course occasional exceptions.
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Nice!! DT is about as hard metal as I get.....If I hear the same style of music but say with a more growling volcals or harder screaming, then I get turned off quickly. Of course cannot handle screamo/speed metal stuff...my kids like that Bullet For My Valentine, Atreyu, blessthefall...I call teeny-bopper metal.
So LaBrie makes it for me.......
I too grew up on "classic rock" mentioned above.....Although my personal opinion is that Led Zepp is a "blues band with severe attitude" ............. I don't consider Zepp metal or really hard rock. IMHO
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 05:25 |
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Thanks Dell. Just so you understand... I don't have any issue with heavy, I guess it's just how you define it. I'm not per se into what's called 'heavy metal'. But, just to go with some old chestnuts for reference, I love Deep Purple, Black Sabbath (when they're actually good, let's face it) and Led Zeppelin, which are all heavy, grew up on them right along side the prog. I love KC and Tull and ELP, in their many moments, which include the heavy. I throw down with some Throbbing Gristle or Univers Zero any day, get into the crazy side of RPI, like Cervello, get into the jocular side of rock and roll, like BÖC. But that 'metal thing', the requisite chung-chung-chung-chung-CHUNK choked fifth on the guitar, with runs of notes flying up and down the neck in that (typically) one distorted sound, I was just never ever into that.
I don't knock it as a legitimate crux of a style of music though, just not for me. The 'chunk' and that style of riff and that cage-based drumming (I'm throwing down lots of labels here for quick description, please don't anyone get up in arms) all serve as a basis for an exploration outward - which of course is where the progginess comes in, to coin a phrase - just as well as, say, a quote of a classical piece, like the use of Brahms in Quella Vecchia Locanda. I guess you can say my style of prog pulls from jazz, folk, classical and maybe blues influences. There are of course occasional exceptions.
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Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 21:26 |
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Indeed those are my favourite Moore's moments in DT, and I wish there was more of that on DT (or perhaps Chroma Key or OSI). By the way, wait for sleep is a short song on Images and Words (American Khatru might just as well have missed that point), and it's a short song with no metal whatsoever (not really common on DT), so he might just as well like that one. I'm guessing you (American Khatru) don't like metal, and in that case DT certainly won't be for you (and Awake and Train of Thought were very poor choices to try to make you like it). It may be a lost cause, but I'm guessing Octavarium may be a song you could like if you're willing to give it another try, though it gets a bit heavier at the end, also disc two from 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence might be a good choice (but disc 1 would surely be rather heavy).
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 19:27 |
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Yeah, Wait for Sleep and Space Dye Vest are quite possibly Moore's best DT compositions.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 17:59 |
^^ Oy, what are you trying to do, make me listen to that again. Eeeeeasy DT boy! Alright already. I can't remember that song, so I'll take another look see.
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Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 16:36 |
American Khatru wrote:
Pelata wrote:
American Khatru wrote:
I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater. I think now it's never going to happen. Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law. I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities. So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal). It wasn't an argument or anything. I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me. In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can. He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
Well, I did not get turned around. An interesting thing did happen though. Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player. A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed. Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot. I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore. A moment later I found out he left the band after that album. I thought, well, now I really like this guy. Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now. |
If Awake did not make you a DT fan, nothing will...
But, if you listen to "Space Dye Vest" on Awake, you can hear the beginnings of Chroma Key... |
Absolutely, I did notice that. And it's another DT song I brushed up against liking. It's funny too, because that sort of thing - the Chroma Key kind of thing - is not really what you'd call in my prog wheelhouse. Welp, momma always said you can't account for taste. |
Did you like Wait for Sleep as well...??? I love that song... it always makes me wish to be "within the ashes or up with the smoke from the fire..."
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 15:09 |
Pelata wrote:
American Khatru wrote:
I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater. I think now it's never going to happen. Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law. I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities. So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal). It wasn't an argument or anything. I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me. In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can. He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
Well, I did not get turned around. An interesting thing did happen though. Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player. A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed. Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot. I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore. A moment later I found out he left the band after that album. I thought, well, now I really like this guy. Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now. |
If Awake did not make you a DT fan, nothing will...
But, if you listen to "Space Dye Vest" on Awake, you can hear the beginnings of Chroma Key... |
Absolutely, I did notice that. And it's another DT song I brushed up against liking. It's funny too, because that sort of thing - the Chroma Key kind of thing - is not really what you'd call in my prog wheelhouse. Welp, momma always said you can't account for taste.
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Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 15:06 |
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Pelata wrote:
Yes...I just bought a copy of this very CD from Ebay a couple months ago for under $15... |
I buy almost all my CD's from e-Bay.......yes I know most are probably re-issues or overstocks....But I have yet to be screwed. I bought a bunch of Rush remaster discs for $5 each...and free shipping.
If you have the patience to scroll thru all the pages of CD's for sale, usually it pays off with a deal here and there.
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Yup...I was stoked when I found that OSI...
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 15:05 |
American Khatru wrote:
I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater. I think now it's never going to happen. Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law. I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities. So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal). It wasn't an argument or anything. I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me. In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can. He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
Well, I did not get turned around. An interesting thing did happen though. Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player. A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed. Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot. I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore. A moment later I found out he left the band after that album. I thought, well, now I really like this guy. Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now. |
If Awake did not make you a DT fan, nothing will...
But, if you listen to "Space Dye Vest" on Awake, you can hear the beginnings of Chroma Key...
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