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I kindly disagree with the fact that they will ever be metal. Hell, most ""metal""core bands aren't even 5% metal IMO. The only exception to that, so far, is Protest the Hero, but all others. . . . It is just hard to understand or to see any metality () in them.
And to make it all worse they are filled in the EXTREME METAL subgenre. Ugh, talk about confusing. . .
I don't like them either but to claim they're not metal is completely asinine.
And Protest the Hero couldn't write a decent song to save their lives. Their writing process must be like, " Hey bro, that's a rad lick! Now throw it in with the others."
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Posted: September 11 2010 at 10:57
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Ironically now that they have to look for a replacement drummer they'll need to have the break they fired Mike to avoid. Which means that if the search takes some time and they can't find a suitable replacement, Mike might simply decide to apply.
Well, that's true, but seeing things like JP is, he will be in the studio with or without drummer... I guess they will hired a session drummer, that will cover up the need to june or july of the next year. I think they have enough time to get a real drummer for the tour until then...
Of course, I'm guessing... but I hope that's the plan...
I have no problems with this whole situation ... I'm looking forward to whatever music MP and DT will be releasing.
Yeah, that's my case, I have being enjoying "almost" every side project of the members so I'll be fine if DT continues as well as Mike... I think a change in DT was needed and now they have the chance to succeed, let's hope they will..
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Posted: September 11 2010 at 10:52
CCVP wrote:
horsewithteeth11 wrote:
CCVP wrote:
jsem wrote:
If it turns out he left DT just to play for A7X full time, I'll be pretty upset.
Maybe he will be able to convert them to progressive metalcore?
Fixed
I kindly disagree with the fact that they will ever be metal. Hell, most ""metal""core bands aren't even 5% metal IMO. The only exception to that, so far, is Protest the Hero, but all others. . . . It is just hard to understand or to see any metality () in them.
And to make it all worse they are filled in the EXTREME METAL subgenre. Ugh, talk about confusing. . .
You need to hear Converge then. They're hardcore-based and definitely metalcore/mathcore, but they're more extreme than 95% of metal bands.
Some others I could recommend: Botch Coalesce Car Bomb (Very Meshuggah-like)
I agree a lot of metalcore is generic. But you can find some good stuff if you're willing to look hard enough.
A7X isn't a good example of true metalcore anyway.
Edited by horsewithteeth11 - September 11 2010 at 10:55
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Posted: September 11 2010 at 10:40
horsewithteeth11 wrote:
CCVP wrote:
jsem wrote:
If it turns out he left DT just to play for A7X full time, I'll be pretty upset.
Maybe he will be able to convert them to progressive metalcore?
Fixed
I kindly disagree with the fact that they will ever be metal. Hell, most ""metal""core bands aren't even 5% metal IMO. The only exception to that, so far, is Protest the Hero, but all others. . . . It is just hard to understand or to see any metality () in them.
And to make it all worse they are filled in the EXTREME METAL subgenre. Ugh, talk about confusing. . .
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Posted: September 11 2010 at 10:26
jampa17 wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Ironically now that they have to look for a replacement drummer they'll need to have the break they fired Mike to avoid. Which means that if the search takes some time and they can't find a suitable replacement, Mike might simply decide to apply.
Well, that's true, but seeing things like JP is, he will be in the studio with or without drummer... I guess they will hired a session drummer, that will cover up the need to june or july of the next year. I think they have enough time to get a real drummer for the tour until then...
Of course, I'm guessing... but I hope that's the plan...
I have no problems with this whole situation ... I'm looking forward to whatever music MP and DT will be releasing.
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Posted: September 11 2010 at 10:18
chopper wrote:
Yes I was being (slightly) sarcastic about Genesis and Yes but there are things in this world more deserving of tears than a drummer leaving a prog-metal band who are largely unknown to the general public. Just look at the thread currently near this one about the death of an ex-member of ELO for instance.
You'd be surprised how well-known Dream Theater is in many music circles, let alone the general public.
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Posted: September 11 2010 at 09:30
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Ironically now that they have to look for a replacement drummer they'll need to have the break they fired Mike to avoid. Which means that if the search takes some time and they can't find a suitable replacement, Mike might simply decide to apply.
Well, that's true, but seeing things like JP is, he will be in the studio with or without drummer... I guess they will hired a session drummer, that will cover up the need to june or july of the next year. I think they have enough time to get a real drummer for the tour until then...
Of course, I'm guessing... but I hope that's the plan...
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Posted: September 11 2010 at 08:37
If Portnoy did come back, which Ithink is very likely at some point in the future, it will be interesting to see on how much control he had. Up till now he's pretty much run things but would the band tolerate him walking back in and saying "okay guy's, i'm back and I'll be running things again". I think not somehow and yet could he return as an equal member with no more say than anyone else? I think he needs that power to run things in DT.
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Posted: September 11 2010 at 01:41
Ironically now that they have to look for a replacement drummer they'll need to have the break they fired Mike to avoid. Which means that if the search takes some time and they can't find a suitable replacement, Mike might simply decide to apply.
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 23:19
The problem about Portnoy coming back, is that that would require the new drummer to leave, and that would be a kind of nasty move (well... Yes did that to Patrick Moraz... ).
I'm sure tons of sessions drummers would love to fill his shoes for a while. If the band didn't call his bluff then maybe he could have taken a temporary leave. That would have been the most mature resolution.
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 22:54
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
JLocke wrote:
^ Yeah, that's what I am hearing, too. Listening to the show right now. Apparently he does think he could go back someday. Just not right now.
Weird situation.
Ahh so you're listening. I can't listen as I'm in Canada, so I'm hearing it from Dream Theater Forums members. I'll keep my comment in case others want to read.
Yeah, I'm listening, haha. He keeps talking about how he might come back. So, who knows. I do think it's a little too proud of him to be as flabbergasted as he seems to be that the other guys feel like they can fill the void. I mean, it's not like he's the only one who can write and produce from within the band. I'm sure the other guys can and will shine, once given the space to do so.
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 22:49
JLocke wrote:
^ Yeah, that's what I am hearing, too. Listening to the show right now. Apparently he does think he could go back someday. Just not right now.
Weird situation.
Ahh so you're listening. I can't listen as I'm in Canada, so I'm hearing it from Dream Theater Forums members. I'll keep my comment in case others want to read.
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Posted: September 10 2010 at 22:48
Here's the gist of what MP said (credit goes to "The Letter M" from Dream Theater Forums:
"Well, uhm, i dunno how to sum it up but i guess i was put into a position where i kinda have to quit in order to move forward. I love dream theater and the guys, been my baby for 25 years. I just needed a break from DT. I didnt need a break from touring/playing/projects, but DT needed a break. Endless cycle for over 12-15 years solid without any real breaks. I was feeling like it was a pattern that needed to be broken. I didn't feel this over night. It dates bak to last year. I was feeling it in Europe last fall, and suggested to the guys why don't we not tour as much in 2010. I felt the need to shake up the cycle and break the pattern. It was becoming a little stale to me. I'd go off to refreshing projects, but come back to DT and felt like I needed a break to reignite the flame. Dating back to last fall I felt it, then with TA this spring I talked about it with ppl. Then with IM it was coming to a head. I suggested to the guys we take a break, a couple years hiatus to recharge our batteries and be reinspired. Those guys didnt agree with me and wanted to keep going and start a new album in January. We just disagreed and after a week we came back to talk about it earlier this week and didn't want to budge and wanted to start with or without me. I felt my heart wouldn't be in it if I went in the studio in January. I felt i should be getting a breather. Either I had to do the album in Jan. against my will or say goodbye. It's weird that it came to this because none of us wanted it.
I didn't wanna quit and they didn't want me to leave. It's a weird kind of break up because we still love each other. They miss me and I'm all broken up, but we just strongly disagree."
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