Progarchives.com Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Obscure Prog Facts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum SearchSearch  Calendar   Register Register  Login Login

Obscure Prog Facts

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234 47>
Author
Message
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Albion
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 32412
Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Obscure Prog Facts
    Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:12
Peter Daltrey of 60s psychedelic Proto-prog band Kaleidoscope & Fairfield Parlour (who provides the voice of the narrator on the Ayreon project) has a guest appearance of Arjen Luccassen on his track "Candy"
 
The current Focus was once a Focus tribute band until Thijs van Leer and Pierre van der Linden joined them.
 
Ken Elliot  of Secondhand and Seventh Wave wrote jingles and theme tunes for the BBC (and probably earned more in the process).
 
Brian Eno got paid £26 in royalties everytime Another Green World was played as the theme tune for the BBC arts programme Arena... Eno (and thus the theme tune itself) became the subject of an Arena programme in 2010.
 
"Sky Saw" from Another Green World was reworked for a track on the first Ultravox! album.
 
Ultravox!'s exclamation mark was a direct acknowledgement to Neu!
 
John Foxx of Ultravox! created the cover pic for Porcupine Tree's Lightbulb Sun.
 
I believe, (but I am not 100% certain), that Steve Stewart, original guitarist for The Enid, was the studio engineer for Porcupine Tree's Stupid Dream.
 
The Enid were Kim Wilde's backing band on Kids In America.
 
While he was in Barclay James Harvest Robert John Godfrey proposed an idea for a solo album to Tony Stratton-Smith based upon the Tarot Cards. By some strange co-incidence, another artist signed to Stratton-Smith's Charisma label released a solo album based on the same concept a few months after Godfrey's Fall Of Hyperion.
 
 
And related to Prog Related facts:
 
Following the death of Paul Kossoff of Free, Richie Blackmore performed All Right Now on stage with The Sweet.
 
Thin Lizzy were once a Deep Purple tribute band called Funky Junction - their budget-priced album of Deep Purple covers that was once sold in Woolworths for £0.49 used to change hands at record fayres for £200 a copy.
 
Should they really be in Prog Related because the are a Prog band: The Parlour Band are probably better known (in the UK at least) as A Band Called O and The O Band.
 


Edited by Dean - December 10 2010 at 13:17


If you cannot be wise, pretend to be someone who is wise and then just behave like they would - Neil Gaiman
Back to Top
thehallway View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 13 2010
Location: Dorset, England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1433
Post Options Post Options   Quote thehallway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:20

So at one point Yes could have consisted of:

Jon Anderson, Robert Fripp, Chris Squire, Phil Collins and Vangelis!
 
Wacko


Back to Top
Easy Livin View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin

Joined: February 21 2004
Location: Scotland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 15565
Post Options Post Options   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:21
Nice topic.
 
There are/were 3 bands called Amon Duul.  The first Amon Duul split almost instantaneously, with one faction retaining the name and the other using the name Amon Duul II. Some time later, Amon Duul II members John Weinzierl and Dave Anderson left that band, forming a new band called Amon Duul.
 
 

Bell + Arc members John Turnbull and Michael Gallagher went on to join Ian Dury and the Blockheads.

Greg lake was briefly a member of Asia.
 
Chris Farlowe, who had a hit in the 1960's with "Out of time" was a member of Colosseum and Atomic Rooster.
 
Audience were originally called the Lloyd Alexander Blues Band
 
Prior to forming Camel in the early 1970's, Peter Bardens had been keyboard player with a number of bands, including his own Pete B's Looners which featured guitarist Peter Green (Fleetwood Mac) in its line up.
Back to Top
thehallway View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 13 2010
Location: Dorset, England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1433
Post Options Post Options   Quote thehallway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:25
My abolition of a supposedly obscure prog fact...
 
While Syd Barrett did visit the Floyd members during the WYWH sessions, it's false that he merely ran into the building and started jumping up and down brushing his teeth. He had pretty normal conversations with the band and ate with them... they even watched Monty Python together!
 
 


Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Albion
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 32412
Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:33
Prog Folker's Stackridge went on to fame and fortune as The Korgis ( "Everybody's Got to Learn Sometime") and took their new name from the Korg synthesiser.


If you cannot be wise, pretend to be someone who is wise and then just behave like they would - Neil Gaiman
Back to Top
presdoug View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 24 2010
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5368
Post Options Post Options   Quote presdoug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 11:39
the group that former Atomic Rooster members John du Cann and Paul Hammond formed was at one point called Bullet, but because there was another band with that name, they changed the name to Hard Stuff

german band Wallenstein was originally called Blitzkreig, but because of another band of that name, they became Wallenstein

 jazz rockers Colosseum were  the very first real rock type group to tour in Spain, and due to some great promotion, were able to pack a club in Madrid for five nights in a row

at one point in the early 80s, Atomic Rooster had former Cream drummer Ginger Baker as part of the band

"and what music unites, man should not take apart"--Helmut Koellen                               
Back to Top
presdoug View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 24 2010
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5368
Post Options Post Options   Quote presdoug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 12:36
before drummer Steve Williams joined Budgie around 1975, he had previously been in a band that played alot of Yes material

Budgie at one point had a hit single in Lebanon

German progressive trio Triumvirat were formed way back in 1969, and in their live sets the music of The Nice figured prominently at the beginning

Triumvirat took a long time to be recognised in their home country of Germany-sometimes they had to cancel tours there due to lack of ticket sales,but after their great success in the USA with Illusions On A Double Dimple and Spartacus, Germany finally "caught on", and things improved there

Triumvirat members Jurgen Fritz and the late Helmut Koellen were cousins

Bass player Hellmut Hattler from Kraan and bass player and vocalist the late Helmut Koellen from Triumvirat were both working on their own solo albums at the same time and studio in 1977, and Hattler actually met Koellen a couple of times just a few days before Helmut Koellen died.


"and what music unites, man should not take apart"--Helmut Koellen                               
Back to Top
Manuel View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 09 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 816
Post Options Post Options   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 13:10
Originally posted by Lizzy

Originally posted by Manuel

Tommy Iomi played with Jethro Tull for one gig, after Mick Abrahams left, but left right after, and Ian Anderson decided to hire Marin Barre, even though he could barely hear his guitar playing during the audition. 

Yup. But it more like one song - A Song to Jeffrey at The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus and he didn't even play live; but luckily for us this performance, as well as the one with Phil on drums were caught on tape.
Still in the Tull area and in that era, Ian wanted Steve Howe in the band, but the latter turned down the offer. I can't help but wonder what it could have been like - an album, or even a jamming session with Steve in Tull.


Also, when Steve Hackett remastered his classical guitar albums "Bay of King" and "Momentum"  Ian Anderson mastered  the additional tracks on both albums.
Back to Top
Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Symphonic Prog Specialist

Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 17667
Post Options Post Options   Quote Ivan_Melgar_M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:07
Eddie Jobson was member of Yes, and you can see him in the "Owner of a Lonely Heart" video.

Iván
Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5498
Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:10
Originally posted by The P Word

Jon Anderson offered Phil Collins the Yes gig backin the early days.
 
Heck ... Vangelis was offered the job after Rick Wakeman left ... and there are two stories ... one that Vangelis could not get a working permit for England ... and the other that he declined ... that he was already fairly well established as a solo artist and did not need YES.
 
And they went on to become very good friends ... and one of the prettiest albums ever done was "Olias of Sunhillow" ...
... none of the hits, none of the time ... you might actually find your own art, or self, and forego lousy heroes or Guru's!

www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5498
Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:18
Originally posted by paganinio

prog metal band connections:

2. Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater
Steven Wilson, Kevin Moore and Mike Portnoy all appear on the album OSI (Office of Strategic Influence).
 
And later Steven mixed and produced one cut on their album
 

5. King Crimson and Porcupine Tree
Robert Fripp played on the title track of Fear of a Blank Planet.
 
And later Steven was the producer or mixer (or both, not sure) on the remix of the first KC album! Which should tell you the respect and care, or the reputation that Steven has for putting things together.
... none of the hits, none of the time ... you might actually find your own art, or self, and forego lousy heroes or Guru's!

www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Symphonic Prog Specialist

Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 17667
Post Options Post Options   Quote Ivan_Melgar_M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:32
Originally posted by moshkito

Originally posted by The P Word

Jon Anderson offered Phil Collins the Yes gig backin the early days.
 
Heck ... Vangelis was offered the job after Rick Wakeman left ... and there are two stories ... one that Vangelis could not get a working permit for England ... and the other that he declined ... that he was already fairly well established as a solo artist and did not need YES.

Both inaccurate as far as I know.

Vangelis was denied the entrance to England working in the late 60's, not when Rick left Yes, Vangelis who was workless  and other Aphrodite's Child members were not accepted when the authorities discovered they didn't traveled as tourists, but to stay, so they went to Paris. In the 70's he had permit to work in England and had contract with an important label.

By the 70's he was too well known to be denied anything in England.

As far as I know Vangelis accepted,. but no Yes member except Jon Anderson wanted him in the band.

Now, about Phil Collins, apparently he auditioned for Yes, but wasn't considered.
 
Iván


Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 10 2010 at 17:10
Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5498
Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:34
Originally posted by Easy Livin

There are/were 3 bands called Amon Duul.  The first Amon Duul split almost instantaneously, with one faction retaining the name and the other using the name Amon Duul II. Some time later, Amon Duul II members John Weinzierl and Dave Anderson left that band, forming a new band called Amon Duul.
 
Not sure about this ...
 
It was originally a commune that had a lot of people and what was released as "Amon Duul" was not a band but a lot of the folks in the commune doing their ... thing ... or what I call their Saturday Night gig.
 
My feeling was that there were, in the middle of those people, some folks that wanted to do more with music, but many of the folks were not musicians themselves and were merely getting stoned, having fun and getting laid ... and this group of folks decided that they did not want to be a part of it.
 
And the album name and title piece should give it away for you ... starts out totally stoned and ends up in a party/orgy! 
 
There were at least two other versions of Amon Duul.
 
One had a couple of albums and was done during the hiatus of some folks in the band, or during one of their famous and grandiose disagreements ... and it had CD's like "Fool Moon" and Ed Wynne and Robert Calvert ...
 
The other version was a mix that John has said is a "b*****d album" that will not get around ... Embryo was the sister band to Amon Duul from the commune days and they did an album that had a bunch of stuff, some of which was a bit jazz'ier and closed with a really nice jazzy piece. In it were "What You Gonna Do?" which showed up 20 years later on many live albums and redos. Still not as good as the original! The album was called "Utopia" and had a plane flying over and one of its rear wings was missing. It is a very nice album and deserves the distribution and the listen. It also shows a nice direction and improvement for the band, that they did not follow and left behind ... later they did do another rock star song ... "Explode Like a Star" but it was not as good as Renate's, even though it did have its own point to make.
 
 
Prior to forming Camel in the early 1970's, Peter Bardens had been keyboard player with a number of bands, including his own Pete B's Looners which featured guitarist Peter Green (Fleetwood Mac) in its line up.
 
And one of Peter Bardens closest friends was Mick Fleetwood ... and he talks about it on his biography. He did say that it was one of those things ... they both just did not manage to connect and play with each other, although they both wanted to.
... none of the hits, none of the time ... you might actually find your own art, or self, and forego lousy heroes or Guru's!

www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5498
Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:46
Hi,
 
Trivia Question ...
 
Name as many of the "artistes" ... as you can that were involved and out and about what became the video for "Tonite We All Love in London" ...
 
We already know the bands, and how unimportant it is for a lot of progressive music fans, and that it was there that Robert Wyatt broke into his ABC's to make fun of all that "royalty" walking around ...
 
But the rest is better ... and tells a lot about the music scene and what became known as "progressive" in the "Brittish Way" ... which means "we're emperors of the world, and you must submit!"  It would also be nice if anyone can also connect the dots on these names ... many of them are important in many ways.
 
Good luck ... freebie from my collection as a gift ... total surprise and I won't reveal it publicly.
 
Hint ... only Hyde Park is more important than this in London for the Progressive Music scene.


Edited by moshkito - December 10 2010 at 14:47
... none of the hits, none of the time ... you might actually find your own art, or self, and forego lousy heroes or Guru's!

www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
presdoug View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 24 2010
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5368
Post Options Post Options   Quote presdoug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:49
the main reason that Richie Blackmore left Deep Purple was because the rest of the band did not want to play and record the song "Black Sheep Of The Family" by Quatermass-and on Rainbow's first album, he recorded it

at one point for a short while, the late bassist/vocalist Doug Fiegler, who went on to fame with The Knack, was a member of Triumvirat

On the cover of Wallenstein's album Mother Universe, the photo of an elderly woman is that of Keyboardist/Vocalist Jurgen Dollase's grandmother


"and what music unites, man should not take apart"--Helmut Koellen                               
Back to Top
The Sleepwalker View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 03 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 15141
Post Options Post Options   Quote The Sleepwalker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:56
Originally posted by moshkito

My feeling was that there were, in the middle of those people, some folks that wanted to do more with music, but many of the folks were not musicians themselves and were merely getting stoned, having fun and getting laid ... and this group of folks decided that they did not want to be a part of it.
Actually, this is what the the booklet of the 2006 Revisited Records remaster of Phallus Dei says:

"During the infamous 'political autumn' of 1968, self-appointed Bavarian music commune, Amon Düül (comprising eleven adults and two children) announced their live performance at the Essener Songtage in the German city of Essen. However just prior to the festival, the project split into two camps: Amon Düül I and Amon Düül II. The first faction was quite politically active and co-operated with the notorious "Kommune I", which involved Rainer Langhanz, Fritz Teufel and top model Uschi Obermayer in Berlin. Chris Karrer on the other hand formed the "art and communications circle" (Karrer) of Amon Düül II. This circle included the core unit of Falk Rogner, John Wienzierl, Renate Knaup, SHrat, Dieter Serfas and defecting from the political faction of Amon Düül I, Peter Leopold" 
Back to Top
Snow Dog View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Errors & Omissions Team

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 32925
Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:07
Originally posted by moshkito

Originally posted by The P Word

Jon Anderson offered Phil Collins the Yes gig backin the early days.
 
Heck ... Vangelis was offered the job after Rick Wakeman left ... and there are two stories ... one that Vangelis could not get a working permit for England ... and the other that he declined ... that he was already fairly well established as a solo artist and did not need YES.
 
And they went on to become very good friends ... and one of the prettiest albums ever done was "Olias of Sunhillow" ...

But Olias Of Sunhillow is irrelevant to this,isn't it?
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
Back to Top
rushfan4 View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 22 2007
Location: Michigan, U.S.
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 48320
Post Options Post Options   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:10
Originally posted by presdoug

the main reason that Richie Blackmore left Deep Purple was because the rest of the band did not want to play and record the song "Black Sheep Of The Family" by Quatermass-and on Rainbow's first album, he recorded it

at one point for a short while, the late bassist/vocalist Doug Fiegler, who went on to fame with The Knack, was a member of Triumvirat

On the cover of Wallenstein's album Mother Universe, the photo of an elderly woman is that of Keyboardist/Vocalist Jurgen Dollase's grandmother


Doug Fieger's brother Geoffrey Feiger is a famous Detroit lawyer who represented Dr. Death Jack Kevorkian for a number of years, and ran for governor of Michigan 8 years ago.

Edited by rushfan4 - December 10 2010 at 15:10
Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5498
Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:20
Originally posted by presdoug

the main reason that Richie Blackmore left Deep Purple was because the rest of the band did not want to play and record the song "Black Sheep Of The Family" by Quatermass-and on Rainbow's first album, he recorded it
...
 
And also because the keyboard player for Quatermass was far better, and less pretentious and full of crap than Jon Lord ever was!
... none of the hits, none of the time ... you might actually find your own art, or self, and forego lousy heroes or Guru's!

www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5498
Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:27
Originally posted by Snow Dog

But Olias Of Sunhillow is irrelevant to this,isn't it?
 
Jon Anderson and Vangelis became friends and released that album instead ... I have a feeling that it was what Jon Anderson was hoping to do with YES after TFTO, that got shot down ...
 
I also do not think that Vangelis was that interested in a band situation, specially one like YES, where he would have to learn some things that probably would not interest him. he was already through with the "popular" thing then, and had enough things going ... to drop them all and become a rock star ... I really think that by the time Jon mentioned it to the rest of the band members, Chris probably said ... my bass would never fit, and Steve went ... so much for my input in the band ... or something silly like that.
... none of the hits, none of the time ... you might actually find your own art, or self, and forego lousy heroes or Guru's!

www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234 47>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.69
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz

This page was generated in 0.273 seconds.