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    Posted: July 08 2005 at 06:39

TOP 100 Progressive Music Albums

What do you think about this page and algorithm ...
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp

 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tony R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 07:07

What-we get to vote for maybe, our top 5,and you create a TOP 100 from this?

Yeah,why not Max? Thumbs Up

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 07:29

Think about what?

Anyway...I don't think! Tony R says so!

Ha ha  M@X so you edit you're Post to make Tony and I look dumb, eh? Well I can edit my Post too so *raspberry* to you!

BTW. New Top 100 Page? Great!



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Post Options Post Options   Quote nacho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 07:48

Come on, you guys, are you short of brain cells in the UK today?

M@x is obviously asking for the top 100 list in the main page after the new algorithm was applied... well, I hope so, I'm also feeling my brain rather empty...

Errr, yes, I like it much more now. Of course, ask every one of us and we'll delete a few and put some others in their place, but on the average I think it's greatly improved.

Keep up the good work!

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It's very good!

It's interesting that the majority of the records included are still from the 'classic' age. Top 10 is purely old stuff, which I personally like: the historic perspective of the contributors is good.

Dream Theater scores high with some albums, the highest on nrs. 11 and 28, and bands like Anglagard, Porcupine Tree, Marillion, POS and Ayreon also have a representative in the top 50.

I like it the way it is now. When I look in the top 10 I immediately approve: this is a good, balanced list. Well done!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 14:55

It looks like a pretty good reflection of our overall tastes as a collective. Nicely laid out too M@X. I see you've linked to it from the main page, but it's not too clear that you can get the full page version from the link.

I notice that the algorithm has changed again. Can you tell us how the chart is calculated now?



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tony R Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 17:41

The edit wasn't there when I checked out his post!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fitzcarraldo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 17:42

The page looks good. How about adding a column for the country?

 

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Now that it's a fully fledged page, I would fancy some inputs at the top of the page to further refine the list ... some checkboxed for the genres and the media type (studio album, live album, DVD) and a drop down for the number of results (50, 100, 250, 500).

That would enable the users to specifically search for the top 50 prog metal live albums, or top 100 symphonic prog DVDs and so on.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote limeyrob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2005 at 05:40

Hi

There's always one awkward so and so and this time it is me. I actually preferred your top 500 as per the original listings. This way I could copy it into an Excel file and with a macro separate the artists into one column with the tiles in the next column. It was then easy to colour the albums I had and see at a glance what people were listening to and if I felt adventurous use filters etc to play about with the data. I also started to work on seeing how the albums moved up or down the chart.

Would it be poss to have an option of list or full details please, perhaps start off as before showing the list then have the option of 'show covers' as you have in the review pages?

Don't get me wrong I think they are great additional features and a source of information and I really think this is a superb site.

PS Can you tell me why live albums are not listed?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote M@X Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2005 at 08:45
Originally posted by Easy Livin

 

I notice that the algorithm has changed again. Can you tell us how the chart is calculated now?

Sorry It was an error , now the ALGOs are the same,

MikeEnRegalia helped me getting it back to the same results

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Post Options Post Options   Quote M@X Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2005 at 09:00
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia

Now that it's a fully fledged page, I would fancy some inputs at the top of the page to further refine the list ... some checkboxed for the genres and the media type (studio album, live album, DVD) and a drop down for the number of results (50, 100, 250, 500).

That would enable the users to specifically search for the top 50 prog metal live albums, or top 100 symphonic prog DVDs and so on.

Great suggestion !

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Post Options Post Options   Quote M@X Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2005 at 09:00
Originally posted by limeyrob

 

Would it be poss to have an option of list or full details please, perhaps start off as before showing the list then have the option of 'show covers' as you have in the review pages?

 

Ok , great !

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote philippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 08:42

very nice impressive list for the subgenres!!

However I totally disapprove with the definitive 100 top albums (just a few subgenres are represented, too common stuffs)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote philippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 08:48

no Zeuhl, no krautrock, no prog folk, no fusion !!!

humm...all right I admit that art rock, metal prog and symphonic prog rock sell better but...is there an alternative???

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Post Options Post Options   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 09:00

Originally posted by philippe

no Zeuhl, no krautrock, no prog folk, no fusion !!!

humm...all right I admit that art rock, metal prog and symphonic prog rock sell better but...is there an alternative???


Album Nr. 7 is prog folk (Thick As A Brick).

Generally, the albums and genres that you mention have not enough reviews/ratings to make it into the top 100. I have an idea how to improve the situation for "borderline" albums with 20-30 ratings ... I'll PM M@x, maybe he likes it.

The problem is not limited to "small" genres like Zeuhl ... the Prog Metal list also favors many Dream Theater albums over Opeth, Pain Of Salvation etc. even if these have average ratings of >4.8.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 09:28
So why can't it just be average rating then?
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2005 at 09:37

If you use the average rating only, you end up with 100 albums that have one or two five star reviews, and your entire list would consist of 5.0 albums ...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote pero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 08:29

 Hi Max,

  You have forgoten to include some great bands like: Focus, Gong.

  Supertramp is not prog at all.

  Zappa: Joe's garage is my favorite

 In fusion, Brand X is no match to Mahavishnu orchestra, Return to forever, Gong, Billy Cobham (Spectrum, Crosswinds) and Herbie Hancock (Headhunters, Flood, Man child), and the king of fusion is Miles Davis.

 E L & P: E L & P (first album) is great and also Brain salad surgery.

 You didn't include Sonic youth also

  King crimson is the best prog band of all times for me, but their best albums are: Larks tongues in aspic, Islands, Red.

 Sorry for my poor English.

  Keep up the good work

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Post Options Post Options   Quote GoldenSpiral Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 09:36

I dont think I was looking at the right thing.  how is it possible that DT's live scenes from new york is in the top 10?  DT  deserves at least one top 20 album but certainly not that one.  also, dont include dvd's in the algorithm.

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