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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Not sure if the groove itself is disturbing.


Well, what I meant was that it's so groovy that one (at least I) can't believe it's in 9/8 at first glance. Its because of it's "fake simplicity" that mainly comes from the low amount of notes used I guess. So back when I only loved listening to Supper's Ready and wasn't too familiar with all the parts yet, I always fell for that one and started to feel the groove in 4/4 and then stopping every second like "wait, what happened there?", then begin to groove again and repeat :D (well ok, I didn't repeat it every second but you get my point). It is a deceptive groove in a way, which I why I chose to call it disturbing. Whatever one calls it, its deceptive quality is what makes that certain piece so unique imo. 

P.S. Even though I am an amateur musician I often have a hard time figuring out time signatures in songs, this might be a reason why above applies to me to a greater extent than others. 
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Groove The spiral track cut into a phonograph record for the stylus to follow.
My progressive music certainly has plenty
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Caravan grooves. It's a British thang, but boy does it ever groove.
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Originally posted by Josef_K

Apocalypse in 9/8 is one of the most awesome (and equally disturbing) grooves I've ever heard. Then again, if you listen mostly to symphonic or avant-garde prog then I guess there is not so much focus on the groove. Wouldn't say it applies to the genre as a whole at all though.
Not sure if the groove itself is disturbing.
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Just in case this hasn't been mentioned, Yes' version of America grooves like hell in the instrumental section.
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Apocalypse in 9/8 is one of the most awesome (and equally disturbing) grooves I've ever heard. Then again, if you listen mostly to symphonic or avant-garde prog then I guess there is not so much focus on the groove. Wouldn't say it applies to the genre as a whole at all though.

Edited by Josef_K - March 05 2013 at 08:13
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^ OK, calm down and turn off Caps Lock.

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^ OK, calm down and turn off Caps Lock.
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Originally posted by RoyFairbank

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89



When I imagine Pink Floyd songs grooving, I think of songs like One of the Days, Money, or Sheep (the ending). Am I on the right track here?


Those are definitely groovy songs IMO. I mean they had Another Brick In The Wall which is practically rocked-out disco.

Yes, I see what you mean. I know the nice feeling the groove offers from these songs, I've just never applied that definition to them in my own head.

I also made a major typo, I meant One of THESE Days of course.
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When I imagine Pink Floyd songs grooving, I think of songs like One of the Days, Money, or Sheep (the ending). Am I on the right track here?


Those are definitely groovy songs IMO. I mean they had Another Brick In The Wall which is practically rocked-out disco.
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Originally posted by RoyFairbank

Pink Floyd is just one band that grooves..... I think most prog has a good groove and a lot of prog indeed has strong 60s/70s "black music" RnB, funk, jazz, etc. influences or disco influences or influences from other genres with a more stereotypical or prominently displayed groove.The groove can be more complex, but its no less groovy. 


When I imagine Pink Floyd songs grooving, I think of songs like One of the Days, Money, or Sheep (the ending). Am I on the right track here?
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Pink Floyd is just one band that grooves..... I think most prog has a good groove and a lot of prog indeed has strong 60s/70s "black music" RnB, funk, jazz, etc. influences or disco influences or influences from other genres with a more stereotypical or prominently displayed groove.The groove can be more complex, but its no less groovy. 
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Prog does not not groove. People do not groove.
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I do believe Prog bands groove. I have been told similar things by friends in regards to Progressive music. They don't like it because they "cant follow" it or there's not enough "riffage". 
Pfft! 

Of course not all Prog bands are particularly known for their ability to "groove", but it's not hard to find a song that demonstrates a groovy riff that even non-prog folk can enjoy. The biggest difference though is that prog bands have a tendency to use these things to play with peoples expectations - which is great! I usually just give my friends some examples and tell them to listen to them when they're feeling patient. They don't always turn to the prog side, but you know, sometimes. 
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Originally posted by J.La

 
 
I'm not too familiar with King Crimson (I know, I know ....), but their song "Happy with what you have to be happy with" has some serious groovin' going on. Great lyrics too.
 

Yeah, that whole album had some real tight grooves, especially the instrumentals. If you're a fan of the heavier, groove-oriented side of prog and want to learn more about KC, I highly recommend Larks' Tongues in Aspic through Red. Their 80s stuff is really groove-oriented too, but nothing beats the albums I previously mentioned in my book. I'm willing to admit I'm biased though. But still, they've got power, drive, and musicianship where it really counts!
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Originally posted by Neo-Romantic

When I think groove, I think of the Dream Theater album Images and Words, especially the verses of Take the Time and the bridge and solo sections in Under a Glass Moon. The bass groove in the latter is unbelievable.

Indeed. The Flower Kings - In the Eyes of the World? I know I can't sit still, I have to air-drum along. And I'm no drummer, so you can imagine what it looks like!
 
I'm not too familiar with King Crimson (I know, I know ....), but their song "Happy with what you have to be happy with" has some serious groovin' going on. Great lyrics too.
 


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