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    Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:02
It grooves, it just grooves... differently.
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Of course Prog can groove, but this does not mean that all Prog does groove.  And the idea of it being too complex to groove is ridiculous.  There is plenty of music from Africa that is rythmically extremely complex, yet it grooves like nothing else.  I listen to a lot of Blues myself, and I can say that not all of it grooves either, and that there are several different ways it can groove.  I have always had difficulty with what a lot of people call 'soul.'  Many of the current top 40 tunes are described as soul, but it sounds so canned and artificial to me I can not even justify calling it by that title.  My suggestion: anytime someone criticizes something for lacking soul, ask them what they mean by soul.  If they can't express it, they don't know what it is.  Play Socrates (but don't get them too mad at you).
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Everything I don't like is grooveless, soulless and pretentious.
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How about George Clinton's Funkadelic? Plenty of groove there - massive stage show, concept albums a plenty, multi-part songs etc..... George is a hero of the little known Funk/Prog genre.
 
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Just like prog lyrics rarely have anything to do with Tolkien or D&D, it's a misconception that prog doesn't groove. Fragile by Yes for example is extremely groove-driven, and so is a lot of stuff by Jethro Tull and Gentle Giant, as mentioned before in this thread. I guess the misconception arises because people equate prog with ultra-symphonic, keyboard-driven stuff like Genesis (a band that too could groove, but their albums are usually mixed in a way that de-emphasizes that fact). Prog is way too diverse a genre to make any generalization like that.
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Originally posted by Lord Jagged

How about George Clinton's Funkadelic? Plenty of groove there - massive stage show, concept albums a plenty, multi-part songs etc..... George is a hero of the little known Funk/Prog genre.
 
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by Lord Jagged

How about George Clinton's Funkadelic? Plenty of groove there - massive stage show, concept albums a plenty, multi-part songs etc..... George is a hero of the little known Funk/Prog genre.
 
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Why is he not on PA then?
 
That'll be because I was joking. Hence the winking emoticon.
 
Prog may groove to a certain extent, but no one is going to confuse Yes with James Brown.
 
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Prog doesn't groove, that's why we like it and why it's fanbase is mostly beard-stroking academics and lonely geeks uninterested in the repetitive drone of soul-based music.   It embraces the cerebral and ambitious.  Nothing wrong with that.

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Originally posted by Atavachron

Prog doesn't groove, that's why we like it and why it's fanbase is mostly beard-stroking academics and lonely geeks uninterested in the repetitive drone of soul-based music.  
 
Clearly including the female prog fan there I see.
 
"Lonely geeks" is slightly worrying. An image of spotty shut in computer gamers performing acts of onanism under a Roger Dean poster is beginning to form.
 
I'd best go and listen to some James Brown - "Papa's got a brand new mellotron" the 12" disco mix I think.
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Something I read long ago on the cover of Soft Machine's 2nd album comes to mind here - "There is music for the body, and music for the mind. Soft Machine makes music for the mind." or something like that. Its a mental groove they're after. I feel it. Are you feelin it? I'm feelin it. What? Yes of course.
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Originally posted by Lord Jagged

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by Lord Jagged

How about George Clinton's Funkadelic? Plenty of groove there - massive stage show, concept albums a plenty, multi-part songs etc..... George is a hero of the little known Funk/Prog genre.
 
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Why is he not on PA then?
 
That'll be because I was joking. Hence the winking emoticon.
 
And I so bought that. LOL I was just too lazy to check on what you've said.



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Bootsy Collins for Eclectic!
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Rush-
  • Digital Man
  • By-Tor and the Snow Dog
  • Losing It
Bruford-
  • Joe Frazier
  • QED
Pink Floyd-
  • the ever overplayed Money
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lord Jagged Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 17:59
Originally posted by Josh18293

Rush-
  • Digital Man
  • By-Tor and the Snow Dog
  • Losing It
Bruford-
  • Joe Frazier
  • QED
Pink Floyd-
  • the ever overplayed Money


Money? A song in 7/4 is hardly going to pack a dance floor unless it's the annual epileptic convention disco.

Edited by Lord Jagged - October 27 2012 at 18:03
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Ah, just thought of one that fits the bill exactly. Slave Called Shiver by Porcupine Tree. That's got a groove you can hang your hat on.
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil

queue Can here
[kidding]If only they had a decent rhythm section [/kidding]
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Originally posted by Snow Dog

...Prog does groove.  It grooves on more levels.
THIS!!
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Here's a bunch by King Crimson:

21st Century Schizoid Man
Pictures Of A City
Cat Food
Indoor Games
Ladies Of The Road
Sailor's Tale
Easy Money
Talking Drum
Lark's Tongues In Aspic Part II
Lament
Red
One More Red Nightmare
Providence (bass solo section)
Indiscipline
Thela Hun Ginjeet
Matte Kudasai
Frame By Frame
Sartori In Tangier
Waiting Man
Heartbeat
Man With An Open Heart
Three With A Perfect Pair

Pokes a very big hole in the claim that progressive rock has no groove.
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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