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SquonkHunter 
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 Topic: Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved.Posted: March 15 2013 at 06:35 |
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Growing up in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area in the early 70s, Bloodrock was a huge local favorite. Always nice to see hometown boys make good.  |
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Stool Man
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Imaginary scenario:
How progressive rock might have developed without including the UK's bands (let's say, for example, that all the UK's psychedelic bands moved on to country rock by 1969, just like the US ones did) 1960s: Miles Davis, Frank Zappa & Brian Wilson inspire a generation of US prog bands. Daevid Allen, Konny Plank, & Christian Vander inspire a generation of European bands 1970s: Jazz/Fusion rules in the US Everyone else flies away to Planet Gong. Which is pretty much what happened anyway!  |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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One more thing
Check how many bands claim to be influenced by Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull or ELP. I calculate around 90%, if not more. Now tell me, ¿How many bands claim to have been influenced by bands from other nations? The percentage will be incredibly smaller |
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Tapfret
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Huger? That better not be a jab at our weight. Don't make us try to get up off this couch! Edited by Tapfret - January 11 2013 at 13:15 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Let me see:
Iván PD: Just in case I have heard at least one album of each and every band listed in Symphonic Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 11 2013 at 12:51 |
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Sumdeus
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I don't really care about how technically proficient musicians are at playing their instruments if I find their music completely boring. To me bands like The Doors were just as proficient in the context of their time and were much more inventive and revolutionary with their music.
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Sumdeus - unique, ambitious music with a wide range of influences and ideas.
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Dean
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How do you measure skill and musicianship and is that really an indication of "the greatest band in America"?
I would imagine popularity and influence are far more important.
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progbethyname
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Fine, but do any of those bands come close to the sheer skill and musicianship of Dream Theater?? No freakin' way. Boston is pretty awesome, but not Dream Theater awesome. 
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'Realizing you are getting old and no one around you seems to care just makes you a victim of changes.'🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶 ---Rob Halfofd, 1973
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progbethyname
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Oh Dire Straights is great. Love the album BROTHERS IN ARMS. Mark Knopler is an incredible guitarist and a very accomplished one at that. :) |
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'Realizing you are getting old and no one around you seems to care just makes you a victim of changes.'🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶 ---Rob Halfofd, 1973
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moshkito
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Shhhhhhhh!!!!!
 We can not name half known and unknown American bands no one has ever heard ... specially if they came out of the Fillmore and Monterey days ...
 Of course, you're right ... but then ... even mentioning Al Kooper or Paul Butterfield, Sugar Loaf, Ides of March, (heaven forbid!) Mason Profit ... and many others, around here, sends shivers up the progressive spine! And I haven't started on the SF scene, which was bigger than the midwest scene ... but I could add Sons of Champlin!
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thellama73
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Ah, that is a good point. They are pretty great. |
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I don't actually care what sells how much, it was merely a very silly joke. I will happily continue to listen to and buy both 'pop' and 'prog' music, whatever that means.
I think there is, but there's no way I would ever agree. Not as long as there are such tremendous bands as the Doors, CSN and ZZ Top. Edited by HarbouringTheSoul - December 17 2012 at 05:38 |
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Didn't anyone say Blue Oyster Cult?
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Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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I think there's no way anyone could seriously say Dream Theater are the greatest American band.
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Sumdeus - unique, ambitious music with a wide range of influences and ideas.
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octopus-4
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I see them as proto for their last albums. Unfortunately Kansas sold probably less than DT but I don't know the statistics. Effectively, thinking to top selling American prog there's not very much to mention.
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progbethyname
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Blue Cheer are one of the pioneers of the hard rock/metal genre itself!! I have a ton of respect for them. 
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progbethyname
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Not prog.
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progbethyname
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Killing me won't change why pop sells so much more than prog. I know you wish it was that simple, but it isn't. Also, let's be clear I DON'T LIKE THIS FACT AT ALL! Wish it weren't true. 
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Million albums? Beach Boys.
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