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    Posted: December 17 2012 at 09:17
Originally posted by Snow Dog

Didn't anyone say Blue Oyster Cult?


Ah, that is a good point. They are pretty great.
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Originally posted by presdoug

When thinking of great US bands, i think of Blue Cheer and Bloodrock, competition in heavy music, and of course Grand Funk, who were already mentioned
 
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We can not name half known and unknown American bands no one has ever heard ... specially if they came out of the Fillmore and Monterey days ...
 
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Of course, you're right ... but then ... even mentioning Al Kooper or Paul Butterfield, Sugar Loaf, Ides of March, (heaven forbid!) Mason Profit ... and many others, around here, sends shivers up the progressive spine! And I haven't started on the SF scene, which was bigger than the midwest scene ... but I could add Sons of Champlin!
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Originally posted by thellama73


Originally posted by rogerthat


Originally posted by thellama73

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.


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Each to his own then.  The Doors were way more important to rock music than Aerosmith.  I thought you said greatest and not just the one that's your favourite?
My point was that I initially thought it absurd that Aerosmith could call themselves that, but I was surprised to have such difficulty coming up with American bands I like better. I think it says something about the quality of American rock music compared to Britain. When I think rock bands, I immediately think of The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Dire Straits, Queen, etc.America does have some great solo artists, though. Hendrix, Dylan, Alice Cooper, Springsteen, Zappa, Beefheart, Warren Zevon, etc. Maybe something to do with our individualistic nature.


Oh Dire Straights is great. Love the album BROTHERS IN ARMS. Mark Knopler is an incredible guitarist and a very accomplished one at that. :)
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Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by Sumdeus

I think there's no way anyone could seriously say Dream Theater are the greatest American band.

Agreed, career sales of 10 million, while being impressive, pale into insignificance compared to American bands like Boston, Journey, ZZ Top, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Green Day, Creed, Eagles, Guns & Roses, Bon Jovi etc. achieve that on a single album.


Fine, but do any of those bands come close to the sheer skill and musicianship of Dream Theater??
No freakin' way. Boston is pretty awesome, but not Dream Theater awesome.
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Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by Sumdeus

I think there's no way anyone could seriously say Dream Theater are the greatest American band.

Agreed, career sales of 10 million, while being impressive, pale into insignificance compared to American bands like Boston, Journey, ZZ Top, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Green Day, Creed, Eagles, Guns & Roses, Bon Jovi etc. achieve that on a single album.


Fine, but do any of those bands come close to the sheer skill and musicianship of Dream Theater??
No freakin' way. Boston is pretty awesome, but not Dream Theater awesome.
You're the one who brought up statistics as a criteria Tongue
 
How do you measure skill and musicianship and is that really an indication of "the greatest band in America"?
 
I would imagine popularity and influence are far more important.


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I don't really care about how technically proficient musicians are at playing their instruments if I find their music completely boring. To me bands like The Doors were just as proficient in the context of their time and were much more inventive and revolutionary with their music.


Edited by Sumdeus - December 20 2012 at 03:56
Sumdeus - unique, ambitious music with a wide range of influences and ideas.
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Originally posted by Thandrus

Did a simple search in ProgArchives symphonic prog section to see which country had the most symphonic prog bands. See results below in the photo attached.

I was as amazed as some of you might get. The results proved wrong the most rooted prog misconception according to which UK was the center of symphonic prog. As you can see here, there are almost two times more symphonic prog bands in US than in UK. Germany has just as many symphonic prog bands as UK. Could what we've thought all this time be just a matter of exposure? Share your thoughts, please!

P.S. This doesn't even take into the account all the Italian prog bands, who were mostly of symphonic variety.

Let me see:

  1. The number of bands is not everything:
  2. The big six bands are
    1. King Crimson: Symphonic Debut (UK)
    2. Yes Symphonic (UK)
    3. Genesis Symphonic (UK)
    4. ELP: Symphonic (UK)
    5. Jethro Tull Folk (UK)
    6. Pink Floyd Psych/Space (UK)
  3. Most if the USA Symphopnic bands are post 70's, so in the 70's when the genre was young, UK wasc the center along with Italy, with the difference that most italian bands are one shot bands that released one album and vanished
  4. Most German bands are derivative in different degrees
  5. Italy has it's own genre.
So Yes, UK is the source and center of Symphonic.

Iván  

PD: Just in case I have heard at least one album of each and every band listed in Symphonic



Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 11 2013 at 12:51
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Originally posted by Snow Dog

It makes sense that The US have more. Much huger population equals more varieties of everything under the sun.


Huger? That better not be a jab at our weight.  Don't make us try to get up off this couch!


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One more thing

Check how many bands claim to be influenced by Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull or ELP.

I calculate around 90%, if not more.

Now tell me, ¿How many bands claim to have been influenced by bands from other nations?

The percentage will be incredibly smaller
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Imaginary scenario:
 
How progressive rock might have developed without including the UK's bands (let's say, for example, that all the UK's psychedelic bands moved on to country rock by 1969, just like the US ones did)
 
1960s:
Miles Davis, Frank Zappa & Brian Wilson inspire a generation of US prog bands.
Daevid Allen, Konny Plank, & Christian Vander inspire a generation of European bands
 
1970s:
Jazz/Fusion rules in the US
Everyone else flies away to Planet Gong.
 
Which is pretty much what happened anyway! LOL
 
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Originally posted by presdoug

When thinking of great US bands, i think of Blue Cheer and Bloodrock, competition in heavy music, and of course Grand Funk, who were already mentioned


Growing up in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area in the early 70s, Bloodrock was a huge local favorite. Always nice to see hometown boys make good. Clap
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