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    Posted: February 10 2015 at 10:55
Originally posted by ultra plinian ultra plinian wrote:

Robert Fripp hasn't been revered enough. I would say he is one of the most innovated and influential guitarists of the 20th century, certainly in progressive circles.
 
 
I think the belief system that Robert adheres to is not exactly about that kind of thing, as it tends to raise an ego level that would not necessarily be good for the art or the work. It's not what the "work" he does is about at all! This was very much in the eyes of Gurdgieff and Ouspensky, and I think there is a relation here. At least, from a directing/acting stand point the cohesion of the work makes more sense with these processes in place.
 
The few comments about their rehearsals and ways to create some music would also suggest there is a similar link to the work that Peter Brook has also done with actors for 50 years, and they use many exercises and suggestions by those folks previously. I have written, elsewhere, about these similarities and included some exercises used on stage that can also be used by musicians if they weren't so full of themselves and were willing to explore new territories and feelings.
 
See the movie "Meetings with Remarkable Men", and nothing really is clear until you see the synchronicity in the end of the film! THAT would be the natural and desired consequence of the work involved!
 
 


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Robert Fripp hasn't been revered enough. I would say he is one of the most innovated and influential guitarists of the 20th century, certainly in progressive circles.
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Robert Fripp is one of the finest musicians rock music has had. Should great musicians not be revered for their work?
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Originally posted by progpositivity progpositivity wrote:

I suppose it depends upon whose 'rating' we are going by.
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I'm sorry ... but it is like asking if Paganini was better than Darryl Way or Jean Luc Ponti ... it's a horribly pathetic way to discuss music and its players.
 
You don't sit here and say that Wagner is better than Mozart, or that this person was better than that one 100 years ago .... the issue is that someone is not willing/capable of listening to Robert Fripp within a context that makes sense and helps you understand what and why they do what they do ... because you can NOT do it!
 
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Eh, ... can't help you with Fripp ... or the "ambient dross" ... or being objective and constructive.

I wonder what kind of a divine mystery this may be, but whenever I see someone "have a go" at Fripp here on PA or elsewhere, I invariably feel like listening to some KC :)

SaBB is on; waiting for it to build up to its Fracture crescendo. 


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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

great New Yorker article--Thumbs Up
 
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great New Yorker article--Thumbs Up
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I have never been overly impressed by Robert Fripp's style, and I've never been blown away by one of his leads. There are any number of other guitarists I'd prefer to hear jamming.

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^ Eh, ... can't help you with Fripp ... or the "ambient dross" ... or being objective and constructive.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - February 06 2015 at 18:37
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Frippertonics, loops, dark soundscapes since frigging 1979.
Eno's "Music For Airports", Fripp's "Music For Restaurants". Right. Ambient dross.

Scholarly artists like this talk the talk imposingly enough, but when it comes to the music...
One (rather proggish) exception -who has written a book on music - is German,Peter Micheal Hamel.
I have 4 or 5 by him. Yes, can be repetative, but unlike Fripp, there is some substance and sticking-power here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 18:18
^ Well, repetition is the mother of skill (you could call technique the father). Then comes rubato. Plus, you might also want to look into an idea explored by Eno, called "generative music". Fripp employs that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacksiedanny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 18:09
Dead boring repetition. I believe he claims playing repetative guitar is a skill.
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^ It doesn't get any more constructive than that. Q#1: What's an average Fripp solo like?
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Average Fripp solo is sparse as all fox.

Seriously: the proof is in the pudding. How many Fripp solo lps/cds you got in your collection. If you got more than 5 - somethings the matter,son.

You need to be seeking out MUSIC.

(I have League of Gentlemen & the two he did with Andy Wotsit. Eno Evening Star and the first Eno/Fripp.


Never listen to them.


I've heard two of his latest cds (wot I got from the library). Utter tedium. Fox that sh*t.
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Seriously? This is even a question? Hideously underrated
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Yes or No?




 

Yes

Fripp makes Rush look like a bar band.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

i don't know if this has been posted already (i don't have time to search through 20+ pages of postings) but i never read a new yorker article that made me laugh as much as this one:

Quote “He used his guitar as a probe,’’ the drummer Bill Bruford said in a 2012 BBC documentary. “As an instrument of science, not sex.’’

You know what's so funny about this quote? ... That I can vividly remember someone else in that BBC documentary saying the exact same words.
 In fact, it was the narrator that said it.  And the New Yorker is known for its strict fact-checking, so someone fell asleep at the wheel there.
 
Great article, all the same.
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here, i can see that. outside here, f**k NO!!!!

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Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

i don't know if this has been posted already (i don't have time to search through 20+ pages of postings) but i never read a new yorker article that made me laugh as much as this one:

Quote “He used his guitar as a probe,’’ the drummer Bill Bruford said in a 2012 BBC documentary. “As an instrument of science, not sex.’’

You know what's so funny about this quote? ... That I can vividly remember someone else in that BBC documentary saying the exact same words.
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I suppose it depends upon whose 'rating' we are going by.
 
Are we talking about musicologists?  The academics who get paid to analyze and research music?  Speaking from the point of view of a progressive rock fan, I suspect they under-rate him (or ignore his significance which to me is the functional equivalent of under-rating him.)
 
Are we talking about a general audience of popular and/or rock music fans as of 2015?  I think many of them will tend to under-rate him due to lack of appreciation, knowledge or both.
 
I suspect you are talking about progressive rock fans though.  Proggers generally hold him in very high esteem.  Fripp has done some interesting things, that's for sure.  I don't feel like he is the Mozart type of genius, the kind who is so incredibly and eloquently adept at advanced music composition and performance.  He is more the Philip Glass kind of genius.  And by that I mean he is a polarizing man of ideas.  His genius is in his approach to music creation more than his pure musical ability.
 
I also suspect I may be in the minority with this opinion.  The majority opinion is probably that he is a genius not only in his innovative and creative ways of thinking about music and approaching music creation but also in other important musical ways like his guitar playing and his actual music composition skills.  (Don't get me wrong.  I'm not saying he is a weak guitarist nor that he is a lousy songwriter.)
 
So, given that I rate him as one type of genius and I believe that the majority of prog fans rate him as a multi-faceted super-genius, I suppose my own personal answer relative to the majority of rock fans is...
 
drumroll please... Ermm
 
Yes.
 
I think Fripp is slightly over-rated.  But with a rating that high, it would be really hard not to be at least a little bit over-rated, wouldnt it?  So it isn't meant as an insult.


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