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    Posted: April 17 2016 at 12:39
Yeah.. we do have quite the history. He brought me here, drafted me from the DDD website, pretty much told a unconvinced admin team I needed to be a collab. Always clicked... but rarely agreed. We didn't really debate trite matters like this too often. We started here and moved upwards quickly in stakes and resulting vitriol. Next it was for the hand of Raff as the symphonic team love triangle of Ivan, Raff and myself became a vehicle for wooing Raff. I thought Ivan had won that race, he was everything I wasn't. Handsome exotic, intellgient.. till one day when Raff sent me a PM and said she wanted me so badly and wanted to make my hair stand up straight and wanted to travel to the states and spend a week of unrestrained passion in the mountains of N.C... which we promtly did. So Ivan lost that one..

then came the battle royale.. of which again I prevailed.  RPI v. Symphonic. He had me fought to a standstill in that Operation Barbarossa sized PA's battle of wils and firepower.  That unfortunately is when things got nasty and we both started mass assasinations.. of each others character and of each others supporters. It got so bad the admin team finally did have to step in and [email protected] got off his fat ass and got involved.. and declared me the winner and gave us the seperate RPI genre and the means to take groups we wanted for it.


oh good times.  Frustrating at times but always a challenge.  Ivan has well earned his #2 position in pantheon of greatest PA's members ever.  Anyone who has dared debate him will never forget the experience. Intelligent, tenacious, and underhanded. Just like me, I just had the advantage of fighting for the right, be it factual or common sense. That was my edge.


as to the question. Good point about Fripp. Wasn't it said he considered Lake, Greg Lake to be a far better guitar player than he was. His talent wasn't as some god of guitar playing, it was as mastermind and guiding force of King Crimson. One of the 3 greatest and perhaps the single most infuential of all prog groups.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

ahh. that was it I think.  Though I remember it being longer.. oh well...  debating Ivan could be mighty tedious LOL


Don't I know it, I had a few of those blue fonts of death debates with him as well. My first one with him involved Satanic symbolism, the baphomet. The debate sure went around in circles. I like a synthesis of ideas when possible. Ivan can really wear you down, but ultimately I appreciated the exchanges despite being so frustrated.   He's a better arguer than this topic-starter.

As to the question: I imagine that Robert Fripp is overrated by some people in some ways, and underrated by other people in other ways. I know that I have overrated and underrated the significance of works over the years in objective ways.

Incidentally, I read earlier about claims about Robert Fripp's arrogance, but I have heard Fripp say in an interview that he doesn't consider himself to be a naturally gifted musician. I think some may overrate his arrogance.
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hahaha.. god I love that man...Heart
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2016 at 11:14
ahh. that was it I think.  Though I remember it being longer.. oh well...  debating Ivan could be mighty tedious LOL
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I don't remember where it was.. it might have been in the collab zone so not available for all to see. it was back when I joined and was made a collaborator (against the wishes of the then admin team I might add.. oh they knew..  oh yes they did LOL).. so around 2005 2006.


Did a google search simply typing Micky Ivan release date of Fragile and this was the first result: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16568&PN=7
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2016 at 11:02
Of course Robert Fripp is overrated. He's so overrated, people don't dare call him Bobby.
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I don't remember where it was.. it might have been in the collab zone so not available for all to see. it was back when I joined and was made a collaborator (against the wishes of the then admin team I might add.. oh they knew..  oh yes they did LOL).. so around 2005 2006.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote addictedtoprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2016 at 10:53
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


23 pages on this...?
 
 


you obviously missed the greatest thread in PA's history when two of the most stubborn and pigheaded collaborators ever to grace the site spent 20 pages debating the release date of Fragile LOL  Oh how the red and blue font's flowed....

and I won of course..


Can we have a link to that thread???
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

23 pages on this...?
 
 


you obviously missed the greatest thread in PA's history when two of the most stubborn and pigheaded collaborators ever to grace the site spent 20 pages debating the release date of Fragile LOL  Oh how the red and blue font's flowed....

and I won of course..


Edited by micky - April 17 2016 at 10:41
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2016 at 10:23
23 pages on this...? I can't even recall if I already commented.
Who's overrating him..?
 No....I don't think he is.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

In fact, the comparison between Fripp and Emerson is quite interesting. Fripp is often complimented for his restraint and lack of showboating, which is quite a contrast from Emerson who didn't even want a guitarist (electric guitarist) in the band to compete with. Sometimes I ponder whether Fripp took that restraint too far.


I don't think he did...  the one who was guilty of that was Hatchet... he needed to leave the bland soporific Genesis before the full range his full and substantial talent could be utilized and bloomed. It is no coincidence that 70's Genesis was only really interesting when they took the shackles off of Hatchet. His shackling was #2 on my list of great prog crimes of the 70's.. the first of course being someone sticking a microphone in front of Latimer when they had enlisted Sinclair..  prog fans can forgive some thing.. but some things go beyond our endurance and capactiy to forgive haha.


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Pure class; but couldn't keep a band together to save his life. Ideal session guitarist.
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No. Has been a part of some truly great music as collaborator and band member.   
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One of my favorite solos from Fripp is from the track St. Elmo's Fire on Brian Eno's Another Green World. Crazy good. This track also has Phil Collins on percussion! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HackettFan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 22:05
In fact, the comparison between Fripp and Emerson is quite interesting. Fripp is often complimented for his restraint and lack of showboating, which is quite a contrast from Emerson who didn't even want a guitarist (electric guitarist) in the band to compete with. Sometimes I ponder whether Fripp took that restraint too far.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HackettFan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 21:54
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

like he needed to LOL... MOOG!!!!
Indeed. Made you spell it out.
The only issue for me would be my general bias toward guitar over keyboards.
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like he needed to LOL... MOOG!!!!
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