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    Posted: August 06 2014 at 19:39
Fripp is a completely unique guitarist. He can do some stuff with his picking technique that I've never heard another guitarist come close to. Like his ability to jump strings while playing fast lines perfectly is pretty uncanny. The opening of Lark's Tongues in Aspic III is a good example. That's insanely difficult to play with a pick as accurately as he does.
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Originally posted by Imperial Zeppelin

But BB King is overrated LOL
Like any other joint.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - August 06 2014 at 16:47
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Originally posted by Mirror Image


Originally posted by Rednight

Originally posted by LSDisease


Originally posted by Blacksword

^^^ and I'll take an original composer over some "look at me mum" shredder any day of the week. I grew up all excited about long haired guitarists who could play really fast and use classical references in their music. Then I discovered the likes of Lifeson, Gilmour and Fripp and all those 'heroes' just seemed a bit... you know..

Plus they mostly made predictable sh*t music imo...
Lifeson is better than the remaining two.

Lifeson is better? What a maroon! Though respectable, Mr. Zivojinovic is a very talented strummer with an average bag of tricks in store. Long live Fripp.

I don't understand the need to dismiss Lifeson's musical ability. Have you actually listened to one of Lifeson's solos before? Go listen to his solo on Emotion Dector and tell me he's just a 'strummer with an average bag of tricks'. One of the great things about Lifeson, like many of the great prog guitarists (you know the list), is he plays for the song and not his ego. So while he has chops galore, he doesn't need to 'show off' what he knows. What he played was perfect for Rush and no other guitarist could have fit the bill.

Hey, I like Lifeson. I was simply responding to the Rush fan's negligent statement about him being better than Fripp. The former has worked hard to attain some technical level of playing equal to or better than the latter, but it's just no contest. Fripp is a prog god. Hyperbole, sure, but that's more true than saying his and Gilmour's playing doesn't rate compared to Lifeson's. Keep up the good work, Alex.
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But BB King is overrated LOL
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Originally posted by twosteves

Howe was just described as "the BB King of Prog"---in a recent very interesting interview. I like that.

Wow, that's a very accurate statement!

Originally posted by Gerinski

Fripp, Lifeson or Howe had a special quality beyond their technical ability. Fripp was the most technical of them but they all shared uniqueness and, as somebody already said, they did not just played for the ego (well, Fripp may have sometimes) but for the music.
As good as Gilmour or Latimer certainly were, I see them as more traditional guitarists.

I couldn't agree more with what's said here.
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Fripp, Lifeson or Howe had a special quality beyond their technical ability. Fripp was the most technical of them but they all shared uniqueness and, as somebody already said, they did not just played for the ego (well, Fripp may have sometimes) but for the music.
As good as Gilmour or Latimer certainly were, I see them as more traditional guitarists.
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Howe was just described as "the BB King of Prog"---in a recent very interesting interview. I like that.
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Originally posted by Mirror Image

Originally posted by Rednight

Originally posted by LSDisease


Originally posted by Blacksword

^^^ and I'll take an original composer over some "look at me mum" shredder any day of the week. I grew up all excited about long haired guitarists who could play really fast and use classical references in their music. Then I discovered the likes of Lifeson, Gilmour and Fripp and all those 'heroes' just seemed a bit... you know..

Plus they mostly made predictable sh*t music imo...
Lifeson is better than the remaining two.

Lifeson is better? What a maroon! Though respectable, Mr. Zivojinovic is a very talented strummer with an average bag of tricks in store. Long live Fripp.

I don't understand the need to dismiss Lifeson's musical ability. Have you actually listened to one of Lifeson's solos before? Go listen to his solo on Emotion Dector and tell me he's just a 'strummer with an average bag of tricks'. One of the great things about Lifeson, like many of the great prog guitarists (you know the list), is he plays for the song and not his ego. So while he has chops galore, he doesn't need to 'show off' what he knows. What he played was perfect for Rush and no other guitarist could have fit the bill.

I never understood the need to dismiss any player's ability relative to another. It's completely fine to have no liking for their music or songs, but skill and musical ability shouldn't be denied simply because of a personal bias or two. I personally never got into Rush that much, but I don't deny their impact, creativity, or songwriting ability. My father and I were actually having a very similar discussion to this at a cookout just this past weekend. Another gentleman who was all about British rock and the punk wave incessantly denied certain bands and player based entirely upon their choice of guitar brand/political affiliation, lol.

Fripp has always been Fripp; he's his own dimension of playing. Very few guitar players have that "it" factor for me; Howe is another one. Both those guys were so ahead of their time in their own era, it's astounding. I admire those levels of individuality in guitar players; I think we could use a little more of it today!
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you know what?

I remember a critic reviewer named "Bill Blynan" or something like that, in a music magazine publication called "The Kite", September 1973, referred to Fripp's playing style as:

 "Star Trek guitar".........

.......I suppose that if Star WARS had been released by 1973, instead of May 1977, Fripp's sound would have been considered "light-saber guitar"...........however, despite this lapse in time by 4-5 years, you get the point.


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Originally posted by Rednight

Originally posted by LSDisease


Originally posted by Blacksword

^^^ and I'll take an original composer over some "look at me mum" shredder any day of the week. I grew up all excited about long haired guitarists who could play really fast and use classical references in their music. Then I discovered the likes of Lifeson, Gilmour and Fripp and all those 'heroes' just seemed a bit... you know..

Plus they mostly made predictable sh*t music imo...
Lifeson is better than the remaining two.

Lifeson is better? What a maroon! Though respectable, Mr. Zivojinovic is a very talented strummer with an average bag of tricks in store. Long live Fripp.

I don't understand the need to dismiss Lifeson's musical ability. Have you actually listened to one of Lifeson's solos before? Go listen to his solo on Emotion Dector and tell me he's just a 'strummer with an average bag of tricks'. One of the great things about Lifeson, like many of the great prog guitarists (you know the list), is he plays for the song and not his ego. So while he has chops galore, he doesn't need to 'show off' what he knows. What he played was perfect for Rush and no other guitarist could have fit the bill.
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^ Have you heard Alex's solos?
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Originally posted by LSDisease


Originally posted by Blacksword

^^^ and I'll take an original composer over some "look at me mum" shredder any day of the week. I grew up all excited about long haired guitarists who could play really fast and use classical references in their music. Then I discovered the likes of Lifeson, Gilmour and Fripp and all those 'heroes' just seemed a bit... you know..

Plus they mostly made predictable sh*t music imo...
Lifeson is better than the remaining two.

Lifeson is better? What a maroon! Though respectable, Mr. Zivojinovic is a very talented strummer with an average bag of tricks in store. Long live Fripp.
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Originally posted by O666

Originally posted by The Doctor

^ I know, right. Some people on here do nothing but make sarcastic comments and become argumentative easily. Uh. Wait.   

Are you angry with me Doc? and you Dean? I think you pointing me in this thread. 
No he isn't, neither am I, and No we are not picking on you in this thread. 

You asked why people make negative comments. I answered - some people like to make negative comments to make other people react. The internet term for that behaviour is trolling, the "I hate Yes" thread is an example of a troll-thread. This is not a comment on your posts here.

Chester (Doc) responded with a self-deprecating joke (ie he made a joke about his own behaviour). He was not commenting on your posts here.


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Originally posted by dr wu23

Originally posted by tamijo

It's the complexity of the silence between the cords, that is the true heart of the matter.
 
Over the years I have heard some musicians say, especially with guitarists,  that what a guitar player doesn't play is just as important as the notes he does play.
 

Heard this too--always thought that Howe was very aware of that too---at least I hear that in his playing.
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Originally posted by tamijo

It's the complexity of the silence between the cords, that is the true heart of the matter.
 
Over the years I have heard some musicians say, especially with guitarists,  that what a guitar player doesn't play is just as important as the notes he does play.
 
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Originally posted by tamijo

It's the complexity of the silence between the cords, that is the true heart of the matter.


You mean the time between the notes relates the color to the scene?Wink
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Originally posted by The Doctor

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Are you angry with me Doc? and you Dean? I think you pointing me in this thread. 
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Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by O666

Originally posted by twosteves

Originally posted by O666

Rating RF?! Underrate maybe but overrate..... I dont understand some of members. I saw strange posts these days in PA. One guy said "I hate Yes" and other guy write "Genesis hit me" (in positive attitude) and now "Robert Fripp is overrated". I think some guys come in wrong address!! Maybe some of you dont like Progressive music. Maybe some guys try to show themselves "Different Guys". Who knows.


I know what you mean--but I hate VDGG and usually dive for cover when I say itLOL ---but prog is a big universe and you can't expect to appreciate all of it---but not thinking Fripp is the great and powerful Oz and not liking Yes or Genesis is totally not acceptableWink

Good point. I dont like many of giants in PA like many members but I cant talk about them negative!! You get my point and I get yoursWink
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Originally posted by LSDisease

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

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If you mix 10 simple songs into one song you won't have one complex song you will still have a simple song ... cos to have it complex those riffs must interact with each other in multiple ways.
Now you've just made yourself yet another out-of-place statement. Not only does it have nothing to do with the thread, it also has very little to do with what we were discussing previously - how in some cases simple chords can be used to create a complicated piece of music (which I've already explained, and I'm not intending to repeat myself).

Game over.


Edited by Dayvenkirq - August 02 2014 at 21:12
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