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    Posted: September 30 2010 at 18:20
^ I admit, it's weird, but it's not like I have anything against you (even sometimes I don't agree with some of your reviews. But hell, when considering how much of them you've written, it's understandable).
There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 16:10
^Ok, I guess that I'll just keep on waiting then. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 14:45

^ I know, but I actually stopped using this service here. I don't respond to comments on my shoutboard, don't shout comments, don't go into endless argues about many things on artist pages here.

We can be friends here Tongue (gosh, it sounds so silly and cheesy)

I actually have dozens of pending requests, but I can't accept them due to my mind policies. But leave it there, I use it to reach your last.fm profile  :-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 13:19
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Well, Alex, sorry for that, but I can't support your cause here. After giving it few listens, I don't think it's a Prog.
No problem Marty, I do appreciate you taking your time and giving it a try.

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Still waiting for your answer on the friend request on Last.fm though Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 12:00
Well, Alex, sorry for that, but I can't support your cause here. After giving it few listens, I don't think it's a Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2010 at 08:39
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I don't know "Imperfrect Harmonies" I was speaking of his debut "Elect the Dead". Embarrassed
In that case I completely agree with you! Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2010 at 08:38
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I don't know "Imperfrect Harmonies" I was speaking of his debut "Elect the Dead". Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2010 at 08:36
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

I'll buy his album and give him some listening. Sounds good ?Wink

I'm looking forward to your reaction(s)! Something tells me its going to be plural.  Big smile

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

My penny: The album is still close to the metal of SOAD (wha have been suggested for inclusion by somebody as well). 
Tankian's voice is very powerful and versatile and the album has some symphonic accents and is more folky than his works with SOAD. 
The result is not too dissimilar from some prog-metal. 
If it was for me I'd say Thumbs Up
Thank you for your detailed comment! I'm not sure I agree with the idea that Imperfect Harmonies sounds like a metal album since I get the feeling that Serj is clearly trying to move away from that scene on this release. Of course it's difficult not to be reminded of his past work as soon as we hear his powerful vocal delivery. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2010 at 07:49
My penny: The album is still close to the metal of SOAD (wha have been suggested for inclusion by somebody as well). 
Tankian's voice is very powerful and versatile and the album has some symphonic accents and is more folky than his works with SOAD. 
The result is not too dissimilar from some prog-metal. 

If it was for me I'd say Thumbs Up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2010 at 12:59
I'll buy his album and give him some listening. Sounds good ?Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2010 at 12:49
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

I disagree. Been listening to the album a lot recently and I don't think that the addition of orchestrated bits makes him more 'prog'. Name one song off the album that goes through time changes or exhibits any other characteristics of progressive music. Okay, so Reconstructive Demonstrations is 5 minutes long. Woopdy-doo.

I basically posted this proposition just to see everyone else's reactions about it. Personally I wasn't that sure about Serj's prog credentials myself until I started reading about it in the local papers and the web links that I provided in my initial post. Of course it could be assumed that everything outside of the norm is labeled as prog in the mainstream media, but seeing that PA has been broadening out the definition of prog with recent additions like Tori Amos and David Byrne it felt like Serj actually had a shot. Wink

I look forward to reading other opinions on the issue. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2010 at 10:45
I disagree. Been listening to the album a lot recently and I don't think that the addition of orchestrated bits makes him more 'prog'. Name one song off the album that goes through time changes or exhibits any other characteristics of progressive music. Okay, so Reconstructive Demonstrations is 5 minutes long. Woopdy-doo.


Great album, good artist (who should really just suck up his pride and reform System Of A Down), but definitely NOT prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2010 at 09:48
Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

Prog Related seems to be weird middle ground since it also features bands like Asia, GTR and Triump that had hardly any influence on prog. The Crossover sub-category is getting too big and if you ask me it should have been divided into Crossover Prog and Art Rock a long time ago.
Serj has worked a lot with his sound over the last few years and I'm sure that his future escapades will lead him closer and closer to Prog so it's just a matter of time before the PA community will acknowledge his work.
Fully agree on this. Serj won't be the first musician to move out of the 'metal'-scene and more towards prog the further his career develops (Ihsahn, for instance!), so I totally support the idea of keeping an eye on the guy. And yes, there are lots of bands even in the prog-zone that barely have anything to do with prog, at least imho...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2010 at 07:56
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Prog related requires thePR  music to have had an influence on prog, which is clearly not the case for Serj because he just made it. If his new album is prog we can stick him in Crossover or whatever, I don't care enough to listen to it to make a judgement on that. But we shouldn't be adding anything else into prog related.


That's the former PR definiton, the new one doesn't make that criteria mandatory. (Prog Related)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2010 at 07:39
Prog Related seems to be weird middle ground since it also features bands like Asia, GTR and Triump that had hardly any influence on prog. The Crossover sub-category is getting too big and if you ask me it should have been divided into Crossover Prog and Art Rock a long time ago.
Serj has worked a lot with his sound over the last few years and I'm sure that his future escapades will lead him closer and closer to Prog so it's just a matter of time before the PA community will acknowledge his work.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 23:28
Prog related requires the music to have had an influence on prog, which is clearly not the case for Serj because he just made it. If his new album is prog we can stick him in Crossover or whatever, I don't care enough to listen to it to make a judgement on that. But we shouldn't be adding anything else into prog related.

Edited by Henry Plainview - September 25 2010 at 23:29
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 20:07
I was thinking the same thing when I was listening to Imperfect Harmonies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:59
I thought that it looked familiar! LOL

There is also a slight similarity to the BtBaM cover album The Anatomy Of...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:55
Well, the artwork is surely prog-related :
 


Edited by lucas - September 25 2010 at 16:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:33
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Serj Tankian prog ???

My thoughts exactly! LOL
But after reading the links that I provided above it sort of started to shift my attitude about the whole idea.

I agree that Elect the Dead can be hardly labeled more than pure Alternative rock but Serj has definitely grown since that release.
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