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Marty McFly
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Topic: Serj Tankian for Prog Related Posted: September 30 2010 at 18:20 |
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^ I admit, it's weird, but it's not like I have anything against you (even sometimes I don't agree with some of your reviews. But hell, when considering how much of them you've written, it's understandable).
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Rune2000
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 16:10 | |
^Ok, I guess that I'll just keep on waiting then.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 14:45 | |
^ I know, but I actually stopped using this service here. I don't respond to comments on my shoutboard, don't shout comments, don't go into endless argues about many things on artist pages here. We can be friends here (gosh, it sounds so silly and cheesy) I actually have dozens of pending requests, but I can't accept them due to my mind policies. But leave it there, I use it to reach your last.fm profile :-) |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Rune2000
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 13:19 | |
PS Still waiting for your answer on the friend request on Last.fm though Edited by Rune2000 - September 29 2010 at 13:21 |
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Marty McFly
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 12:00 | |
Well, Alex, sorry for that, but I can't support your cause here. After giving it few listens, I don't think it's a Prog.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Rune2000
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Posted: September 27 2010 at 08:39 | |
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 27 2010 at 08:38 | |
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I don't know "Imperfrect Harmonies" I was speaking of his debut "Elect the Dead".
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
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Rune2000
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Posted: September 27 2010 at 08:36 | |
I'm looking forward to your reaction(s)! Something tells me its going to be plural.
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 27 2010 at 07:49 | |
My penny: The album is still close to the metal of SOAD (wha have been suggested for inclusion by somebody as well).
Tankian's voice is very powerful and versatile and the album has some symphonic accents and is more folky than his works with SOAD. The result is not too dissimilar from some prog-metal. If it was for me I'd say |
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
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Marty McFly
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 12:59 | |
I'll buy his album and give him some listening. Sounds good ?
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Rune2000
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 12:49 | |
I basically posted this proposition just to see everyone else's reactions about it. Personally I wasn't that sure about Serj's prog credentials myself until I started reading about it in the local papers and the web links that I provided in my initial post. Of course it could be assumed that everything outside of the norm is labeled as prog in the mainstream media, but seeing that PA has been broadening out the definition of prog with recent additions like Tori Amos and David Byrne it felt like Serj actually had a shot. I look forward to reading other opinions on the issue. |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 10:45 | |
I disagree. Been listening to the album a lot recently and I don't think that the addition of orchestrated bits makes him more 'prog'. Name one song off the album that goes through time changes or exhibits any other characteristics of progressive music. Okay, so Reconstructive Demonstrations is 5 minutes long. Woopdy-doo.
Great album, good artist (who should really just suck up his pride and reform System Of A Down), but definitely NOT prog. |
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Antennas
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 09:48 | |
Fully agree on this. Serj won't be the first musician to move out of the 'metal'-scene and more towards prog the further his career develops (Ihsahn, for instance!), so I totally support the idea of keeping an eye on the guy. And yes, there are lots of bands even in the prog-zone that barely have anything to do with prog, at least imho...
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Jesus never managed to figure out the theremin either |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 07:56 | |
That's the former PR definiton, the new one doesn't make that criteria mandatory. (Prog Related) |
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Rune2000
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 07:39 | |
Prog Related seems to be weird middle ground since it also features bands like Asia, GTR and Triump that had hardly any influence on prog. The Crossover sub-category is getting too big and if you ask me it should have been divided into Crossover Prog and Art Rock a long time ago.
Serj has worked a lot with his sound over the last few years and I'm sure that his future escapades will lead him closer and closer to Prog so it's just a matter of time before the PA community will acknowledge his work. Edited by Rune2000 - September 26 2010 at 08:58 |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: September 25 2010 at 23:28 | |
Prog related requires the music to have had an influence on prog, which is clearly not the case for Serj because he just made it. If his new album is prog we can stick him in Crossover or whatever, I don't care enough to listen to it to make a judgement on that. But we shouldn't be adding anything else into prog related.
Edited by Henry Plainview - September 25 2010 at 23:29 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Anthony H.
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Posted: September 25 2010 at 20:07 | |
I was thinking the same thing when I was listening to Imperfect Harmonies.
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Rune2000
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Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:59 | |
I thought that it looked familiar!
There is also a slight similarity to the BtBaM cover album The Anatomy Of... |
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lucas
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Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:55 | |
Well, the artwork is surely prog-related :
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Rune2000
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Posted: September 25 2010 at 16:33 | |
My thoughts exactly! But after reading the links that I provided above it sort of started to shift my attitude about the whole idea. I agree that Elect the Dead can be hardly labeled more than pure Alternative rock but Serj has definitely grown since that release. |
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