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    Posted: August 21 2011 at 15:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 22:56
^^^ I agree, in the sense there's no way A Passion Play would be an 'unnoticed' album. Just polarizing. I like it but it's not too high on my JT favourites and from their 70s albums, is behind SFTW, Aqualung and TAAB.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 10:34
Ian Anderson is not underrated, every album can't be a cracker.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 09:45
Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:



Most things that Ian Anderson does work well. But this was one that didn't.
...as if to confirm this selection for the topic at hand
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 08:07
Individuals, the plural being the point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 07:52
Of course, but one can hardly have chemistry between individuals before there are ...individuals.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 07:09
Can't agree with that. It depends completely on the balance between the individuals.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 06:26
Originally posted by giselle giselle wrote:

The chemistry of a band is more important than individual qualities. Balance counts. Nick Mason seems perfect to me for Pink Floyd.


It is the composite of individual qualities that makes a balance. One has to start somewhere. Individual first!

Interesting idea with PF. In 1984 DG could not sell oy a theatre with own (non PF band). Now it'a a dfferent matter... Same individual though...

Oh yes, Nick Mason. Terrific Floyd drummer. His work on Time alone is er, timeless.. Of course the rest of PF chime in with some pretty superb ideas...

I read his book a while back (fun) and was amused to note on a calendar he noted the birthdates of Kylie and Robbie Williams but not say, Bonzo or any / many other notable contemporary...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 06:05
Most things that Ian Anderson does work well. But this was one that didn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2011 at 22:25
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:


Originally posted by The_Jester The_Jester wrote:

The most underated album here on PA is certainly A Passion Play. Best album I ever heard in my life and people find it horrible.

Agreed. One of the most important albums of all time, and hardly anyone seems to notice.
I agree with M and the J. I don't even see it on the PA top 250. Really?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2011 at 17:37
When i think of under-rated drummers, the one that comes to mind right away is Jo Koinzer from  German jazz-rock band Brainstorm.
          His name is never mentioned, and when you hear him, you will wonder why? He has a complex technique that is aggressive, but intricate in the same breath.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2011 at 17:13
Originally posted by EchidnasArf EchidnasArf wrote:

Nick Mason is one of my favorite drummers. There's something to be said about restraint that a few people here obviously don't understand. One person mentioned that they had never been "blown away by his percussion abilities". That's fine, but you should be blown away by his impeccable understanding of time, atmosphere, groove, and tastefulness. Otherwise, you're just a shallow listener.




 Thumbs Up Very accurate indeed. Nick was the best drummer for Pink Floyd, in fact, he was instrumental for their sound and pace.They all fitted together perfectly. Every one of them had the good taste to leave a few notes and beats out, to create that athmosphere.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2011 at 15:36
Nick Mason is one of my favorite drummers. There's something to be said about restraint that a few people here obviously don't understand. One person mentioned that they had never been "blown away by his percussion abilities". That's fine, but you should be blown away by his impeccable understanding of time, atmosphere, groove, and tastefulness. Otherwise, you're just a shallow listener.

As far as underrated players go, Bill Frisell instantly comes to mind. This guy can play anything and has worked with so many different artists and genres, having an uncanny knack for leaving his fingerprint on anything that he's a part of. He's released some great solo albums and worked with John Zorn (and part of Naked City from '86-'03), Dave Holland, Elvin Jones, Jack DeJohnette, Elvis Costello, John Scofield, Ginger Baker, Michael Shrieve, Mike Stern, Ron Carter, Paul Motian, among countless others, and he even appears on an Allen Ginsberg album of poetry and spoken word. Bill Frisell is one of the best living guitarists around today, and hardly anyone knows who he is because he's so humble.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2011 at 13:39
Originally posted by The Willow Farmer The Willow Farmer wrote:

Originally posted by esky esky wrote:

Originally posted by Billy Pilgrim Billy Pilgrim wrote:

I'm sorry but I find Mason to be a bore at times. Never has he ever just blew me away with his percussion abilities. In fact, Mason himself didn't view himself as a top drummer. He gets the job done, but that's it.
Not this argument again. Frankly, Mason just needed to be who he was to help make the Floyds great. He's a great musician without necessarily having to be a great drummer. He's also a gentleman and leading statesman among the elder group of prog dignitaries. He's an international treasure (and his steady beat behind the Floyds never caused me alarm).
 
Pink Floyd's music didn't need flashy drumming the same way it didn't need complex bass playing. Floyd was about atmosphere, and Nick Mason contributed perfectly.
        Who can think of Moon or Cobham playing with the Floyd? i don't.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2011 at 12:52
^ true, and it's not The Flower Kings or The Tangent
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2011 at 10:08
Originally posted by esky esky wrote:

Originally posted by Billy Pilgrim Billy Pilgrim wrote:

I'm sorry but I find Mason to be a bore at times. Never has he ever just blew me away with his percussion abilities. In fact, Mason himself didn't view himself as a top drummer. He gets the job done, but that's it.
Not this argument again. Frankly, Mason just needed to be who he was to help make the Floyds great. He's a great musician without necessarily having to be a great drummer. He's also a gentleman and leading statesman among the elder group of prog dignitaries. He's an international treasure (and his steady beat behind the Floyds never caused me alarm).
 
Pink Floyd's music didn't need flashy drumming the same way it didn't need complex bass playing. Floyd was about atmosphere, and Nick Mason contributed perfectly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2011 at 05:27
The chemistry of a band is more important than individual qualities. Balance counts. Nick Mason seems perfect to me for Pink Floyd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2011 at 22:52
Originally posted by Billy Pilgrim Billy Pilgrim wrote:

I'm sorry but I find Mason to be a bore at times. Never has he ever just blew me away with his percussion abilities. In fact, Mason himself didn't view himself as a top drummer. He gets the job done, but that's it.
Not this argument again. Frankly, Mason just needed to be who he was to help make the Floyds great. He's a great musician without necessarily having to be a great drummer. He's also a gentleman and leading statesman among the elder group of prog dignitaries. He's an international treasure (and his steady beat behind the Floyds never caused me alarm).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2011 at 10:38
Originally posted by elcaballodecaligula elcaballodecaligula wrote:

I think John Wetton is an amazing singer and bass player, but he hasn't got the respect he deserves

I think John Wetton is much appreciated on this site, as singer and bass player of King Crimson. Or do you mean his solo works? Ermm
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