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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:26 | |||
You misunderstood Angelo, Dean
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:25 | |||
I absolutely agree with Angelo, in terms exactly what he said, people should stop complaining what is wrong and instead focus what makes them very happy regarding their moozik experience! This makes perfect sense to me! Really!
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:24 | |||
Well said Raff
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24392 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:18 | |||
I've read through the last two or three pages of posts, and a couple of observations stood out for me:
1) As David pointed out, these days there are very probably more bands/artists than fans, which means that those bands/artists have to work very hard at attracting their potential audience's attention. 2) Unfortunately, as Dean wrote in his most recent post, far too many of those bands/artists have very little clue of how to spread the word. Anyone who has worked in a genre team here at PA, or written reviews on a regular basis, has spent a fair share of his/her time looking for information about a band/artist, and found there was very little available. Bandcamp is great, but it would be nice if the artists remembered to post at least ONE link to their website/Facebook page/blog/etc, instead of having the listener/reviewer hunt around the Internet for scraps of info. Sometimes it feels like a band/artist does not want to be found. I am all for promoting new music, but those whose music I am trying to promote should collaborate as well. Finally, I cannot but endorse Angelo's remarks about the negativity of some recent threads. There isn't anything productive in mulling over and over how nasty the music industry is nowadays, or why the younger generations don't embrace prog. What about celebrating what we like for a change, instead of emphasizing every single negative aspect? |
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:10 | |||
on a better note this is fab :) Brian May - 'God Save The Queen' on the roof of Buckingham Palace (Golden Jubilee 2002) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUsWfeULks&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwNCMWxAGZao-G4-sIKxA9T3&index=57 xxxx
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:07 | |||
The guy was me (no need for irony quotes, I am indeed male) and it was a satirical photo critique.
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Svetonio
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 04:56 | |||
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 04:46 | |||
The "New Prog Revolution" is a bit of a lazy myth. It's an attempted to drum-up support for something that isn't actually happening. There are more new bands than there are prospective fans to support them, it is a buyer's market and will remain that way for the conceivable future. A revolution can only occur when there is a ground-swell of interest in these bands both individually and collectively. The problem therein is that they aren't a collective and interest to each band is limited to only a few people. Public disinterest cannot be blamed on the public and it certainly cannot be blamed on how the PA (or any other Prog website) fails to "promote" each new band. Any criticism rests on the shoulders of the bands themselves for how they promote themselves. This is something I've been stressing for the past five years, though many people seem more interested in attacking me for having the temerity to dare criticise than accept the reality that if you want to stand out in a crowd then you actually have to do something pro-active and positive to make people want to notice you. As we both said back in the "Unsigned" days before I opened the [flood] gates to self-released artists: a band should have a larger web-presence than just the web-pages it creates for itself.
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 04:42 | |||
Nope, sounds more like Tenacious D
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 04:28 | |||
Sounds like yet another a Genesis clone to me.
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 04:27 | |||
hahahaha I agree! This is a brilliant name for a prog band! love it!
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NutterAlert
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 07 2005 Location: In transition Status: Offline Points: 2807 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 04:22 | |||
Good name for a prog band
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 04:21 | |||
self-aggrandisement and self-promotion much?
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Svetonio
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 04:17 | |||
I wasn't lazy to look and it made me (again!) so proud 'cause the second album of an unknow French avant-prog band called PoiL which I suggested to Prog Archives (regularly in "Suggest New Bands and Solo Artist" sub-forum, the place for suggestions) that took a very high 11th place! p.s. And this is Windhawk's great review of that album:
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 03:59 | |||
~Be afffraid, wery a-frayed... all those who do not stand up and publicly declare their love and support for Svetonio shall be forever counted as being against Svetonio. If you want to know why or how this reply to Olav is seen as being rude and discourteous it is because you ignored everything he actually wrote and launched into an unprovoked attack on him and the PA of your own invention. If you don't like the way things are done here then go elsewhere. For your information, you supercilious twonk, Olav has done more for the PA than any other person on this planet. He is a prog-powerhouse and a one-man army. Seriously, he's added more bands, written more biographies and more discographies than anyone here. He also has a far higher success-rate at having his suggestions accepted into the database than anyone else - not because he suggests them in the CZ and not just because he's kind, lovable old Olav, but because he's got far a better "prog" ear and so he's more selective about who he suggests than a lot of people around here (mentioning no names). Now, as for the falling masonry in the CZ... that oh-so privileged club that you're never going to be asked to join. Nothing happens there. Really. Nothing ever does. It's boring and uneventful. All there is are a few Prog-elves working busily away in the background processing the hundreds of new bands suggestions without the distracting interference from the people who suggested the band, the band members and their loyal fan. Allowing the genre teams a place to discuss each evaluation without being constantly pestered by well-meaning busybodies was an unavoidable necessity.
So - Olav has a short-cut into The System that you do not have. (admit it, that's what pissed you off isn't it!). He is sensible and responsible. He has also been an active and very productive member of three (or more) genre teams so he knows how to behave - he quietly makes a suggestion and then backs off until the band is accepted, then he volunteers to write the biography and add the band and its discography. I have said this before and I'll say it again: It is NOT the PA's job to promote bands. New or Old. If a band gets added to the PA database (by whatever route) then our job is done. We simply do not have the resources, the man-power or the wherewithal to promote every new band that gets suggested, evaluated and added to the database. If someone with a vested interest in promoting the band wants to use their inclusion here then that is for them to do, not us. If you want to promote new music then promote new music, but the way you are currently doing it is not promoting anything other than Bandcamp, YouTube and yourself. Suggesting hundreds of bands and posting thousands of youtube videos ... that's not helping anyone, that's not promotion, that's internet flyposting. If you where genuinely interested in all of those bands then you should re-think your strategy. If you are genuinely supportive of every band you suggest or post a video of then you must be a very rich person to afford to do this because I certainly couldn't.
Ho, ho, ho. Now you want to dictate which albums get reviewed? Sorry chum life isn't like that. We don't have staff reviewers, everyone here is freelance. You want to have a bands début album reviewed then write a doggamn review for it. Let the reviews decide... how did that work out for you?
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13240 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 03:56 | |||
I missed that claim completely... Seriously though - it might be a good thing that there's not a lot of PA traffic about new bands. Maybe, just maybe, they are not dusty enough to sit in an archive and found other channels to promote themselves (Facebook, Ello, Bandcamp, Soundcloud...). Copying e.g. bandcamp links to the forums is useful as part of discussing music, but I expect that most of these bands audience will go to bandcamp directly. The world doesn't end at the gates of PA.
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Svetonio
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 03:53 | |||
(a double post earesed)
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 03:50 | |||
mhwoaaahhxxxx
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 03:48 | |||
Any band can be added to P.A. as long as they have members voting them in, most of these bands are unknown. It falls to the bands to get reviews, preferably from P.A. credited reviewers or collabs. P.A. in this case is a positive, a great outlook to any band who do take themselves seriously.
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 03:48 | |||
I think so too
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