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grimpiter 
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 Topic: Why sting is not prog?
Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:19 |
...(I LOVE ALL STING´S WORK BTW)
BUT THINK OF AN ALBUM WITH:
-CHILDREN´S CRUSADE
-SYNCHRONICITY II
-RUSSIANS
-STRAIGHT TO MY HEART
-THE WILD WILD SEA
-MAD ABOUT YOU
-SAINT AGNES AND THE BURNING TRAIN
-SEVEN DAYS
-SAINT AUGUSTINE IN HELL
-I HUNG MY HEAD
-I WAS BROUGHT TO MY SENSES
-25 TO MIDNIGHT
-VALPARAISO
-A THOUSAND YEARS
-BIG LIE, SMALL WORLD
-DESERT ROSE
(THEY ALL HAVE PROG OR AT LEAST SYMPHONIC ELEMENTS: ODD-TIME SIGNATURES, LUSH INSTRUMENTATION, MASSIVE USE OF KEYBOARDS AS LEADING OR ATMOSPHERIC PURPOSES, LONG SOLOS...)
WHY NOT CONSIDER HIM A LITTLE BIT "PROG POP"... WHAT DO YOU THINK?
IF YOU THINK SERIUOSLY...
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o0mr_bill0o
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:21 |
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MY EYES ARE BLEEDING
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Astaroth
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:33 |
 grimpiter wrote:
THEY ALL HAVE (PROG OR AT LEAST SYMPHONIC ELEMENTS: ODD-TIME SIGNATURES, LUSH INSTRUMENTATION, MASSIVE USE OF KEYBOARDS AS LEADING OR ATMOSPHERIC PURPOSES, LONG SOLOS...)
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So you think prog's about that.  Just that?
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"I need you more that you can know ... and if I hurt myself it's just for show"
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kirklott
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:41 |
Topic: why sting is not prog?
Sting isn't prog because he doesn't play prog.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:45 |
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pwned!
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:07 |
For that matter, I've always considered the Police to be an Art Rock band. They obviously have far better chops than most of their contemporaries.
And Andy Summers' style is reminisent of Fripp's.
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B3Brad
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:09 |
The Police can probably be considered Art Rock, but Sting is really more balladry.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:17 |
Alan Pfeifer wrote:
| For that matter, I've always considered the Police to be an Art Rock band. They obviously have far better chops than most of their contemporaries. |
Many bands have much better chops than their contemporaries but that doesn't mean they are Prog.
Iván
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:17 |
sting and the police are both great. Synchronicity is one of my favorite albums i have on vinyl. 
but neither are prog.
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:20 |
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Pop, very good pop, but nothing more.
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My recent purchases: 
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Fusioned
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 22:41 |
alan_pfeifer wrote:
For that matter, I've always considered the Police to
be an Art Rock band. They obviously have far better chops than most of
their contemporaries.
And Andy Summers' style is reminisent of Fripp's. |
I agree that the Police are very Art Rock to me. I also think Sting's "Dream of the blue turtles" could be considered prog.
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FragileDT
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 23:00 |
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Nah. Maybe a slight prog type sound/influence here and there. Nothing
more.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
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greenback
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 23:23 |
he is more pop jazz than prog, sometimes flirting with new age.
i like very much his solo stuff though.
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 14 2005 at 23:56 |
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The Police were a jazz/reggae band in the disguise of a punk band when they were first signed to a major record label. They basically remained that until their second album, Regatta De Blac, when they fuzed a more overtly pop style into the mix. After awhile, they abandoned the punk aspect almost entirely and mixed some electronica into the mix. They only approched prog a few times, with songs like "Spirits in the Material World" "Omegaman" and "Synchronicity 2." They really were never a prog rock band. Sting was just a very well-taught musician and theorist and knew how to write an interesting and sometimes complex song.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 03:13 |
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Progressive Pop/Avant Pop.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 03:21 |
I think most of us don't perceive his music as prog because he still ties himself a lot to the song format. Granted, he uses a lot of influences, like classical music (Russians), Kurt Weil music (Sister music), jazz (The Dream Of The Blue Turtles), calypso (Love Is The Seventh Wave), country music, even hip hop, etcetera etcetera, but they're still songs.
I think many prog fans like Sting, though. I know I do, I like his music a lot! He has a sense of melody, incredible, and his lyrics are imaginative, and he always surrounds himself with great musicians and producers!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 04:25 |
^ using traditional song structures is not a criteria against prog. NOT using them is common in prog, but not necessary ... don't be so rigid! 
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Phil
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 04:34 |
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It's (mostly) good stuff, but I wouldn't say it was prog. I preferred
his earlier solo work which had defintie jazz influences in it (and
players on it!).
Think I'd agree with Moogtorn's assessment of him.^^
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 05:27 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ using traditional song structures is not a criteria against prog. NOT using them is common in prog, but not necessary ... don't be so rigid! |
Well, I'm not so sure about that. It's of course the old question: "What is prog and what is not" and criteria are hard to find. Still... I get the feeling that any band / artist who makes music which I'd call prog, is from time to time abandoning the song structures, I mean, breaking rules...
For me, Sting really is a songwriter, not a prog musician. He restricts himself very much to the song structure. Yeah, he's the one who's rigid, not me  .
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 06:17 |
Well you can tie it up in diferent ways, you can make all sorts of knots. You can play Cats Cradle, and even tie things up with it........sounds pretty prog to me!
Sorry?..Whats that?............Ohhhhh.........Sting!
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