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^Thanks
BTW, Tangerine Dream's "Quichotte" and "Pergamon" live albums are the same material:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12272
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9763

Pergamon is in fact the 1980 Quichotte concert re-released by Virgin in 1986. Now Pergamon is much more available in shops, Quichotte is rare.

I know ProgArchives is supposed to be exhaustive, but wouldn't it be more pertinent to merge (without losses of reviews and ratings if possible) into an unique entry, because:

- They have different ratings (4.2 and 3.6)
- People who just want to read opinions on this live album do not read all opinions
- Reviewers who want to write a review on it can hesitate on which album to review

IMHO, it will be better to only have the Pergamon album, change the title to something like "Pergamon (a.k.a. Quichotte)", and keep the album info where the Quichotte album is mentionned. The goal of PA is also to give a simple way to information to people exploring music :-)

What do you think about it?

Edited by Modrigue - March 22 2016 at 05:17

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Modrigue Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: January 14 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 1125	Post Options Post Reply Quote Modrigue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 22 2016 at 05:14
	^Thanks BTW, Tangerine Dream's "Quichotte" and "Pergamon" live albums are the same material: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12272 http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9763 Pergamon is in fact the 1980 Quichotte concert re-released by Virgin in 1986. Now Pergamon is much more available in shops, Quichotte is rare. I know ProgArchives is supposed to be exhaustive, but wouldn't it be more pertinent to merge (without losses of reviews and ratings if possible) into an unique entry, because: - They have different ratings (4.2 and 3.6) - People who just want to read opinions on this live album do not read all opinions - Reviewers who want to write a review on it can hesitate on which album to review IMHO, it will be better to only have the Pergamon album, change the title to something like "Pergamon (a.k.a. Quichotte)", and keep the album info where the Quichotte album is mentionned. The goal of PA is also to give a simple way to information to people exploring music :-) What do you think about it? Edited by Modrigue - March 22 2016 at 05:17
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NotAProghead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7712	Post Options Post Reply Quote NotAProghead Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 21 2016 at 19:28
	^ Thanks, but I think having 2 entries would not be a big mistake. This one http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24045 is a 7'' single with 2 songs. And another one http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20200 is a 12'' single with 4 songs. Changed its title to "Das Mädchen Auf Der Treppe" as you suggest. Edited by NotAProghead - March 21 2016 at 19:37
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Modrigue Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: January 14 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 1125	Post Options Post Reply Quote Modrigue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 17 2016 at 03:32
	Hello I think these 2 EPs from Tangerine Dream are the same record: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24045 http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20200 The tracklist is identical, as proven by these websites: http://www.voices-in-the-net.de/das_maedchen_auf_der_treppe.htm http://www.allmusic.com/album/die-melodie-aus-dem-gleichnamigen-tatort-mw0000875824 The correct EP name seems to be "Das Mädchen Auf Der Treppe": http://www.voices-in-the-net.de/voicesr1.htm#2 BTW, I wrote a review for one of these discs. Is it possible to merge reviews & ratings without losses? Thanks Edited by Modrigue - March 17 2016 at 03:33
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NotAProghead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7712	Post Options Post Reply Quote NotAProghead Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2016 at 14:21
	^ Thanks, José, I think we can make it. Hope this weekend I'll sort it out and explain how. Not earlier because I'm damn busy during this work week.
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Quinino Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 26 2011 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 3654	Post Options Post Reply Quote Quinino Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 11 2016 at 09:30
	http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1103 I'll now raise the question of the long time semi-lost third album of PD: From what I reckon it has become a sort of phoenix, underwenting several rebirths and confusing our minds to the point of having now 3 (three) references on the discography (and many more out there, legal and illegal), each with its own cover but intrinsically the same contents (bonus tracks aside) http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5719 1. Trafalgar (3:08) 2. I Love You Still (4:02) 3. Jenny (4:05) 4. It's All for You (3:47) 5. Suicide (2:01) 6. While You Were Out (2:33) 7. Only You (4:28) 8. Today I Feel (3:03) 9. Painted Ladies (3:18) 10. Falling in Love (3:21) Total Time: 33:46 Now, with different title but same original 10 tracks plus bonus http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=16132 1. Only You (4:33) 2. Painted Ladies (3:22) 3. Falling In Love (3:27) 4. Today (3:08) 5. Trafalger (3:10) 6. I Love You Still (4:04) 7. Jenny (4:07) 8. It's All For You (3:50) 9. Suicide (2:03) 10. While You Were Out (2:38) bonus tracks: 11. Song Dance (6:29) 12. Of Once And Future Kings (6:50) 13. Natchez Trace (4:18) 14. A Little Better (2:18) 15. A Look In Your Eyes (4:27) 16. Julia (2:55) 17. She Came Shining (4:37) 18. Did You See Him Cry (6:06) 19. Theme From Subway Sue (5:40) 20. I Wait For You (1:44) Total Time: 79:46 And recent new addition, same situation but remastered and plus different bonus tracks http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=47549 01. Good Bye Trafalgar (3:27) 02. Falling in Love (3:24) 03. Only You (4:31) 04. Painted Ladies (3:19) 05. I Love You Still (4:06) 06. Jenny (4:09) 07. Today (3:05) 08. Stop Short (Studio Outtake) [Bonus Track] (2:38) 09. It's All for You (3:50) 10. Suicide (2:02) 11. While You Were Out (2:51) 12. Falling in Love (Alternative Mix) [Bonus Track] (3:19) 13. Julia (D. Surkamp Acoustic Version 2007) [Bonus Track] (3:05) 14. She Came Shining (Live 2012) [Bonus Track] (5:36) 15. Fast Gun (Live 2011) [Bonus Track] (3:21) 16. She Breaks Like a Morning Sky (Live 2011) [Bonus Track] (5:27) 17. Paris (Live 2011) [Bonus Track] (4:45) 18. Good Bye Trafalgar (Live 2012) [Bonus Track] (3:10) 19. Only You (Live 2012) [Bonus Track] (6:47) Total Time 1:12:44 IMO we could give some order to this profusion of releases and maybe unify them under a single entry with enough references to accomodate the differences - or at least put them under the same roof, be it studio or compilation or whatever, the present way is confusing. And look here for explanations http://pavlovsdogband.tripod.com/pavlov6.html Edited by Quinino - February 11 2016 at 09:32

NotAProghead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7712	Post Options Post Reply Quote NotAProghead Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2016 at 10:12
	^ You're quite a long time here, I think enough to understand how PA works. We can like or dislike something (for example, I would prefer to have all Manfred Mann's bands/projects under MANFRED MANN), but there are genre teams and admins who decide to which category bands/artists belong. This thread is called "Duplicated entries" and its purpose is to report albums listed more than once in PA database. Then admins delete reported albums (only admins have the right to delete albums). There are no duplications in Jeff Beck's discography, so you chose wrong thread (though that's not the point). If you'd like to make changes in Jeff's discography, please contact members of Jazz-Rock/Fusion Team, it's their competence.
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katatonia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: July 05 2012 Location: Iran Status: Offline Points: 112	Post Options Post Reply Quote katatonia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2016 at 09:33
	you didn't get what I mean,I'm desperate now.dude,the first 4 albums are THE JEFF BECK GROUP,not jeff beck,isn't it clear? and Beck,Bogert,Appice is a project itself,again not jeff beck.progarchives is not a grocey store :) when the page is named Jeff Beck,it should remain jeff beck,not everything containing the name of jeff beck.so why don't we include Altamont and Karma in SWs page?and for manfred mann,MANFRED MANN CHAPTER THREE,MANFRED MANN'S EARTH BAND and his sole project are seperate stuff that's the way it should be. yet,if you wanna show that your right cuz you've been here a decade before me,well,that's another story.that's why I don't show up much in the forum bon voyage bro

NotAProghead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7712	Post Options Post Reply Quote NotAProghead Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2016 at 06:33
	^ The site policy is: if the artist is here, the entire discography should be here (there are few exceptions though). We don't sort albums by their progginess. You can describe in reviews how poor and 0% prog some Beck albums are. But nobody will delete albums.
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katatonia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: July 05 2012 Location: Iran Status: Offline Points: 112	Post Options Post Reply Quote katatonia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 20 2016 at 01:59
	I came in to talk about Jeff Beck PA page.some albums are really extra and shouldn't be here.the first four acts [Truth/Beck-ola/Rough and Ready/Jeff Beck Group] are obviously related to jeff beck group,not jeff beck solely,and doesn't belong in here in million years,not even 10% prog,and the worst is (Beck,Bogert and Appice),donno how it can even relate to music,let alone prog,it's a real ridiculous piece of record,so the first 5s should be removed,I know some will say no,cuz members have written a review about'em.but by what costs?some records completely unproggy and not beck's,they're for his projects,not his.BLOW BY BLOW is his real debut.and later,the collaboration with The Big Town Playboys,it's mostly theirs,not Beck's,what's more its a tribute album,not a studio one

The Bearded Bard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 24 2012 Location: Behind the Sun Status: Offline Points: 12859	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Bearded Bard Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: September 03 2015 at 09:54
	^ Yeah, this is another case (Uriah Heep's debut and it's s/t US edition is another one) where two basically identical albums were added by the site's founder, probably in the very early days of the site, before it was decided that just one submission was needed in these cases and/or what should be considered a duplicate entry, and therefore not eligible for addition. Anyway, that is my guess as to why both of those editions were added. Furthermore, as in the case of UH, both albums has reviews, which makes the delition of one of them a real hassle, as reviews can not be moved, they must be saved by the reviewer (of which many are no longer active members, and therefore not easy to get in touch with) and re-submitted to the other album, or else they'll be deleted with the album, so I think the best thing in these cases is to just leave it as it is. Edited by The Bearded Bard - September 03 2015 at 18:05


Glimpse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: December 03 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote Glimpse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: September 02 2015 at 13:02
	The 1985 reissue of Can's 1979 self-titled album, "Inner Space", is listed as a separate release. Original release: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3519 Reissue: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3522

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	^ Thanks, I'll report this to admins.
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Glimpse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: December 03 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote Glimpse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 24 2015 at 20:16
	The Papir / Electric Moon collaboration "The Papermoon Sessions" is listed twice, once on Papir's page and once on Electric Moon's. Original: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=43496 Second: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=43510

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	Please use this artist ID in near future, collabs! Edited by DamoXt7942 - January 14 2015 at 23:08


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	^ Ha! Didn't notice that before. Will ask admin to delete the 2013 digital re-release. Thanks!


Glimpse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: December 03 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote Glimpse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 14 2015 at 17:07
	The 2013 digital re-release of the 2000 Pallas album, Live Our Lives, is listed as a separate release.

NotAProghead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7712	Post Options Post Reply Quote NotAProghead Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: December 10 2014 at 12:59
	^ B-sides are different, so 2 entries is OK.
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Glimpse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: December 03 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote Glimpse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: December 10 2014 at 12:20
	These two Eloy singles are the same release, except in different formats: Wings Of Vision / Sunset Wings Of Vision (Maxi) The tracks on the Maxi version are a bit longer, however they aren't different enough to justify two seperate entries. If anything, the info from the 12" Maxi version should be merged with the 7" version.

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	It's an artist that I'm exploring in this period. I like the sound of the Oud (I have one at home). Edited by octopus-4 - October 26 2014 at 08:12
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	^ Done.