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Voivod

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2.91 | 54 ratings | 11 reviews | 13% 5 stars

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Studio Album, released in 1984

Songs / Tracks Listing

1. Voivod (4:19)
2. Warriors of Ice (5:10)
3. Suck Your Bone (3:39)
4. Iron Gang (4:21)
5. War and Pain (4:58)
6. Blower (2:45)
7. Live for Violence (5:16)
8. Black City (5:12)
9. Nuclear War (7:00)

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Line-up / Musicians

- Jean-Yves Theriault / bass
- Denis d'Amour / guitar
- Michel Langevin / drums
- Denis Belanger / vocals

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CD Restless 71104-2
1992 CD Enigma 71104 -- 1994 CD Metal Blade 14049

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2.91
(54 ratings)
Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music(13%)
13%
Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection(26%)
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Collectors/fans only (15%)
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Review by slipperman
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4 stars I don't really care for ratings, whether they be stars or numbers or whatever, and this album is why: 'War And Pain' is a masterpiece of dank, dirty, apocalyptic war/black/thrash metal. Should www.progmetalarchives.com ever come to be, it would be a 5. In the realms of www.progarchives.com, which holds bands to an admittedly different standard, it is a high 3. Ultimately, it's one of many albums that defies the strict box-categorization of ratings. Numbers and ratings don't really mean anything here. I give it a 4, just to split the difference. But see my final paragraph, as this is not for everyone.

This was only the beginning for Voivod, and the fact that they cruised into cold, mechanical, technical, atmospheric progrock-meets-metal in 4 short years from 'War And Pain' is proof enough that Voivod are a modern day prog band. They broke boundaries and went where no metal band had gone before. Here, in the world of war and oppressive pain, things teeter between a Motorhead-ish sort of noise/sleaze rock ("Suck Your Bone", "Blower") and the post-armageddon hell of "Nuclear War" (the long epic of the album). Snake (vocals) is completely unhinged and unintelligible, aided by the roaring mess of Blacky's bass and Away's thunderous, cataclysmic pounding. Guitarist Piggy was the real innovator. He's the one responsible for the vast majority of Voivod's riffs and structures--it was already clear on this album that his style was unlike any other. It was fluid, yet untamed. It was dissonant, yet held up the melodic standard of the best traditional metal. And in the soundscape moments of songs like "Voivod" and "Nuclear War", it was clear he was only scratching the surface of his arsenal of unique effects.

Is this album True Prog? No way. Is it the beginning of a band who produced some of the greatest late '80s/early '90s prog? Hell yes. Caveat to progrock fans who don't like metal, but anyone else interested in this peculiar band's peculiar evolution, this is essential for the library and study of this ever-intriguing band.

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Posted Sunday, January 16, 2005

Review by Marc Baum
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2 stars After several demos and a sampler contribution on Metal Massacre 5 ("Condemned To The Gallows") VOIVOD showed the wide audience the gruesome face of death on their 1984 debut album "War And Pain". This debut release is a little 'odd'! Actually, it's not that great, it sounds like a cheap, rip-off of Venom's "Welcome To Hell" album.

Attention everyone loving unpolished, third-rate speed metal. Be sure to love Voivod's “War and Pain” as well. Some of the reasons why 1984's “War and Pain” sounds strikingly similar to Metallica's “Kill 'Em All” on some parts is because both albums feature a pretty dry production, straight-ahead metal guitar riffs and sometimes sophomoric lyrical content, but while Voivod´s debut sounds horrendously punky and talentless, Metallica´s first album has a deeper guitar tone, better song structures and better musicianship.

Voivod latecomers should know that the group wasn't meant to be a speed metal or even an extreme band as they became an experimental/progressive metal band, as evidenced on the later albums “Nothingface” and “Angel Rat” and which was quite predictable when hearing those progressive rock passages on “Killing Technology”.

The group's first classic, the song "Voivod” is featured here, and is still played by the group in concert to this day (one of the few songs that contains some contrasting textures, even if it's just for about five seconds at the beginning). This tune is probably one of the best ones the band has ever done, with its super catchy roar along chorus and its nice riffwork. Other band’s classics are "Warriors of Ice," "Iron Gang," and the title track, which are all maniacal, fast-paced and about as subtle as being hit by a sledgehammer, but that doesn’t mean they were actually good; they were sloppy and plodding.

By listening to their debut, you can easy to see that the group built their later highly original sound on the foundations of heavy metal. “War and Pain” is by no means an embarrassing debut fro Voivod, it's just that when compared to other speed metal albums of the time, it simply don't delivers that good.

The band still was miles away from the progressive direction of later albums. Halfway accessible song structures with a big Punk portion a la Discharge with a certain tendency to chaos were leaving their mark on this album. Here the comparison with the chainsaw swinging maniacs that butcher everything that is not on the trees at the three count is true. “Nuclear War” with the extremely pressing hatework on the riffs and its rawness is a proof of that.

Conclusion: Ok, enough babbling, if you worship Venom’s “Welcome To Hell” as the best thing in the world and love Discharge and Cryptic Slaughter then will also love "War And Pain". Still, I’d recommend you not to buy this album unless you are a true fan from Voivod or a collector of rare and talentless speed metal albums. Prog-heads beware!

album rating: 5.5/10 points = 56 % on MPV scale = 2/5 stars

point-system: 0 - 3 points = 1 star / 3.5 - 5.5 points = 2 stars / 6 - 7 points = 3 stars / 7.5 - 8.5 points = 4 stars / 9 - 10 points = 5 stars

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Posted Saturday, April 29, 2006

Review by Gooner
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2 stars The first Voivod album "War and Pain" isn't progressive at all. It's similar to thrash and avant metal bands like Slayer, Blind Illusion, Kreator and Celtic Frost. They do have a distinctive sound thanks to guitarist Denis D'Amour's inventive riffs (jazzoid metal). Just look at the titles of the songs, and you know you're in for an hour of thrashing madness (no "Close To The Edge" here, friends). I once read in Kerrrrang that Voivod was described as "alarm clock metal". Pretty accurate. The only indicator of anything remotely similar to the pioneering progressive path Voivod would eventually embark on...would be the final track "Nuclear War". It reminds me of the self-titled song "Black Sabbath" meets Red-era King Crimson. A lot of power chords with interesting time changes.

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Posted Friday, June 29, 2007

Review by UMUR
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2 stars War and Pain is the debut full-length studio album by Canadian thrash metal act Voivod. The album was released August 1984 through Metal Blade Records.

The music on the album is raw and rather primitive thrash metal. Lead vocalist Snake has a punky approach to singing. While the songs maybe could have been good with a professional production, the sound quality on War and Pain ruins much and it´s the kind of album I´ve tried listening to so many times without success. I always end up disappointed. Mostly because the production is so weak that it´s almost intolerable.

Early Voivod was never my cup of tea, and I must say that I find this album to be primitive and noisy ( and this comes from a man who appreciate grindcore acts like Nasum and Napalm Death). Maybe if I had purchased the album when it came out instead of 16 years later it would have helped. This sounds very dated with the bad early eighties metal/ thrash production, and nothing really points toward the fact that Voivod three years later would release an intelligent and groundbreaking proggy thrash metal album in Killing Technology (1987). I only take this out to hear "if it´s really so bad". Unfortunately everytime I do, nothing has changed. It really is so bad. 2 stars are warranted.

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Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007

Review by AtomicCrimsonRush
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2 stars The melding of science fiction to black metal was never a good combination but Voi Vod went for it with no holds barred crunching guitars and caustic vocals. This one blew me out of my skin during the huge metal hiatus, the golden era when metal was king during the mid 80s. I had this on vinyl and used to thrash it in the 80s during the birth of the heavy metal revolution when the 80s Metal gods unleashed thier hordes. I grew out of this type of music indefinitely after the initial excitement of new metal kicked in and ultimately died. But I remeber how I listened to that slamming guitar riff of War and Pain so much I was virtually consumed by its power. That was then. Now, as a proghead I have different feelings toward this. It is pure noise but nothing else. The riffs are easy to play and over simplified, and the vocals are nauseating. The themes delve into purile post-apocalytica meets cyber-punk dystopia.

Check out those metalitia lyrics of War and Pain!

In the smoke of the combat, The bombs fall by your side, No gods give you the guts, You see the fire in the sky, Let me free, let me run, I put the powder in my gun, I. run, kill and fight, Armed with swords and hash, I remove the knife in your sore, I believe in the death's call, You die for fire, burns in flames, I live to kill, create war and pain, Our disaster is not complete today, We make no defense because You fall in fate, The war punishes, and the war resists, We're going to hell tonight,

Ok, if that's what floats your boat, be my guest - but this is really the type of dross that was churned out off the metal machine in the 80s and has no place now and feels very outdated and childish.

If you want great prog style Voi Vod you are better off to move to later entries such as 'Nothingface' or 'The Outer Limits'. The debut is not very prog and is really just a noise - It may plaster you to the wall, but then again so would a jackhammer. This album is only for collectors so tread carefully among the hallowed ruins of the 80s metallution, for among the greatness there was so much mediocrity.

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Review by Prog Sothoth
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3 stars This album is as progressive as eating a fresh hot bowl of spaghetti using only your bare hands, and it's just about as fun too. After a quick spooky intro, the album surges forth from raw punkish thrash anthem to raw punkish thrash anthem with a willful and reckless abandon. There's a lot of "D beat" tempos and hoarse croaking vocals by the lead vocalist, as well as some surprising creativity in the guitar playing department. The lyrics deserve a mention as well, being some of the stupidest and unintentionally hilarious in the history or rock & roll...although in the end it was most likely a wise choice not to write prose for their music in their native language (French of the Canadian kind).

I'll bring up the good stuff right away. Denis was already on his way to being an unheralded guitar hero at this point. Yes, the music here is straightforward, but you can sense the space rock appreciation hidden inside Denis (aka 'Piggy' at this point of time'as dark and threatening a one word moniker as I've ever heard) yearning to burst forth in all its non- thrashy glory, particularly in the guitar solos, which range from bluesy to psychedelic' especially considering his generous use of the digital delay pedal. I've heard complaints that the recording would have been considerably improved by having a rhythm and separate lead guitar tracks to give the album a fuller sound, but personally I enjoy listening to Piggy sweat it out by having to bust out some quick solos while filling out the rhythm section along with the bass player. The album sounds rawer and somewhat more bare- bones than a number of the emerging big names in the developing thrash scene, but its frantic approach and stronger influences derived from punk and a bit of acid rock gave the album a unique sound for its time. Granted, singer 'Snake' utilizes a vocal approach that conjures an impression that he's attempting to squeeze out a spherical poop the size of a cantaloupe from betwixt his buttocks cheeks, and I'm thinking the band probably blushes a bit concerning their lyrics back in the day, considering two of the songs are entitled 'Suck Your Bone' and 'Blower' respectively, but it's the energy that matters here. As for prog'you won't find much, although there are traces to be found here and there, particularly within the last two tracks. The playing is generally sloppy, but the youthful enthusiasm sort of makes up for it in this case'not so on their next album, which was a regression of sorts into a more primitive sound, if you can imagine that after hearing this album.

Finally, 'Iron Gang' is a scorcher. Fast as hell, hilarious singing and lyrics and a busy rhythm section with Piggy punctuating riff changes with quick bluesy licks, I consider this, as well as much of the rest of this debut, to be a noisy but reasonably decent adventure away from the more classically inclined musical avenues.

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Review by Conor Fynes
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3 stars 'War And Pain' - Voivod (6/10)

As so many other great bands do, Voivod developed their sound a lot as they matured. The end of the 80's would see this Quebecois act do some incredible things and virtually reinvent the genre of thrash metal. Early on though, these experimentations were much less pronounced. 'War And Pain' shows Voivod playing straightforward thrash metal, with a slightly forward- thinking, sci-fi twist. While lacking the innovation that made their later work so great, Voivod's debut is still a classic for its style, and a very fun listen at that.

Although this is Voivod at a much more primitive level, the band's trademarks are still here to some extent. Most notable is Denis 'Piggy' D'Amour's distinctive guitar work. Especially on the album's last track 'Nuclear War', Piggy wails away with the guitar, creating psychedelic soundscapes with feedback. The chords and riffs are also slightly more dissonant than the genre is used to, especially given the fairly early context this album has within thrash. Suffice to say, Piggy's performance here is the highlight, above and beyond. The rest of the band performs admirably, getting some good force through despite the grimy production. While 'Snake' Belanger's vocal performance here is fairly generic, the lyrical themes are sufficiently advanced beyond what a typical thrash band might sing about. Here, Voivod takes themes of nuclear holocaust and war, and filters them through a futuristic setting. Although the music is straightforward, the lyrics help create imagery of this band playing in the middle of a bombed out city.

The songwriting here has a few gems, but in general, the songwriting sacrifices depth for speed. Its certainly fun, but upon subsequent listens, I found the music losing its initial shock. Voivod are one of my favourite bands, but as my personal tastes stand, 'War And Pain' is the sort of album I will only be able to put on once in a while. There is plenty of energy and vitality to this band's performance, but musically speaking, the waters are a bit shallow, and the more familiar I get with the music, the less I find myself moved by the primitive approach they were going for at this point in their career.

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3 stars I'm feeling bad giving 3/5 to Voivod's debut since I prefer listening this one than Wish You Were Here (My rate for it is 4/5). The fact is that War and Pain is obviously not the reason to Voivod being here. And their first two albums are the less relevant albums in every way into their dis ... (read more)

Report this review (#1024811) | Posted by VOTOMS | Tuesday, August 27, 2013 | Review Permanlink

4 stars The first album of Voivod is surely one of the best debut albums that I know. Even though the sound and the song writing of the album are far away from being perfect, the band has already its own unique sound and sounds very energetic, straight, rough, heavy and hungry for more to come. The title of ... (read more)

Report this review (#383272) | Posted by kluseba | Wednesday, January 19, 2011 | Review Permanlink

4 stars Sometimes when you need a slap in the face you listen to Metallica's Kill'em All or Slayer's Show No Mercy, but when you need a strong kick in your ass you should listen to this one. It's no use to say how original band is Voivod but back in 1984 they didn't differ much from thrash pioneers of t ... (read more)

Report this review (#176600) | Posted by LSDisease | Saturday, July 12, 2008 | Review Permanlink

4 stars this was the first Voivod album i heard, i remember at the time i listened to Slayer a lot and i heard that record and thought it's even more brutal than Reign In Blood. i don't know it really was more but definitely was the same brutal and more rock and roll for sure. yes it's brutal rock and ... (read more)

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