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JAN DUKES DE GREY

Prog Folk • United Kingdom


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JAN DUKES DE GREY is one of the most underrated progressive folk bands of our time, and only released two albums in their short life span. JAN DUKES DE GREY formed in 1969 and were one of the very last prog rock bands to be signed to Decca's prog label. They originally started out as just a duo and were rivals to pre glam rock T Rex folk duo, Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Their first album, "Sorcerers" was a typical acid folk album, not particularly adventerous but showcased Derek Noy's and Michael Bairstow's multi-instrumental talents. The album made little impact and is only available through bootleg. But their greatest work was to come, with the addition of drummer Denis Conlan they recorded their masterpiece "Mice And Rats In The Loft" in 1971. Consisting of three lengthy, psych drenched tracks, It was a lot more free form than their last and had much more progressive leaning. Mindblowing use of a huge assortment of instruments, even utiilizing an orchestra.

Think JETHRO TULL plus THE INCREDIBLE STRING BAND and a ton of acid. Sadly the album made little impact, and JAN DUKES DE GREY disbanded after its release. A brilliant recording that never recieved its proper praise. Recently re-released by Breathless records, the album is starting to gain some deserved recognition. Highly recommended!

Credit Goes to Con Safo for writing the majority of the biography and discography for this band.


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3.78 | 44 ratings
Sorcerers
1970
4.19 | 190 ratings
Mice And Rats In The Loft
1971
2.50 | 10 ratings
Strange Terrain
2011

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3.96 | 8 ratings
Sorcerers/Mice And Rats In The Loft
2009

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 Mice And Rats In The Loft by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1971
4.19 | 190 ratings

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Mice And Rats In The Loft
Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by Luqueasaur

5 stars Not Tull, not Comus, but just as spectacular as them both: 9/10

The late 60s was a blossoming age for experimental bands. It was, too, the epoch of JAN DUKES DE GREY's conception, consisting of ex-soul musician Derek Ney and guitarist Michael Bairstow. Despite their debut, SORCERESS, obtaining poor sales and not demonstrating the duo's utmost capabilities, the band proceeded with its musical adventures and, along with a new member, recorded a much more accomplished follow-up, MICE AND RATS IN THE LOFT.

While the pastoral cover might evoke images of subtleness and tranquility, the album is, in fact, dynamically explosive and remote from the concept of just a folksy lovely album. Simplifying MICE's style to acid folk is also a misconception and a gross oversimplification, as it would diminish the album's chronic eclectism and compositional maturity. The album's utmost greatest quality lies in the mature songwriting and masterful blend of folk with several other elements and genres, disparate and apparently immiscible. Many other bands who attempted to put together discrepant styles more often than not sound like strange mumble-jumble, yet JAN DUKES' numerous influences sound seamlessly stitched in a natural amalgam. All of this without abandoning musicality or approachability, regardless of how eerie their experiment might result.

JAN DUKES is in many ways an overlooked mammoth, just as accomplished as other important folk bands such as JETHRO TULL or COMUS. The first infuses progressiveness into a genuinely folksy ambiance whereas the second applies their depraved nature to uncommon sonorities and compositions, but through their own methods both bands created unique styles and pushed their genre's musical boundaries. JAN DUKES DE GREY did no less than that, albeit they obtained little recognition for their work. Nonetheless, MICE AND RATS IN THE LOFT's capability of creating simultaneously enjoyable and inventive music without sounding poor or bland is pivotal to consolidate its status as a prog folk masterpiece and nothing shorter of it.

 Sorcerers by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1970
3.78 | 44 ratings

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Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by siLLy puPPy
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4 stars Having met via an 11-piece 60s soul band called Buster Summer Express in Leeds, England in 1968, the duo of Derek Noy and Michael Bairstow found that they shared a similar musical adventurousness and as Noy, then only 21 was setting out to find his own way after leaving the band, he crossed paths with Barstow who was auditioning for the band at the tender age of 18. Together they would become renowned for their nonesuch classic release 'Mice And Rats In The Loft,' an album so outside of the norms of the contemporary folk scene that the only other musical entity of the time that could be of equal comparison would be the similarly demented English act Comus. The duo's reputation of being one of the most original acts around caught on quickly as they gigged many venues and led to a signing with Decca Records which landed them an early touring with Pink Floyd and The Who. The duo successfully recorded their first album SORCERERS by October, 69 and released it early on in 1970 which caught them immediate attention on the university campuses although high sales and success eluded them.

While the progressive behemoth 'Mice And Rats In The Loft' syphons away every bit of attention away from this early beginning, it would be a great mistake to overlook this unique debut album from the oddly named JAN DUKES DE GREY which was a spontaneous impromptu appellation designed to sound esoteric but in reality carries no actually meaning behind it at all. SORCERERS is the exact opposite of their following paragon of progressive folk. While 'Mice' had three sprawling tracks that swallowed up the entire album allowing ample time for excursions into the most lysergic experimentation of any folk album in history, SORCERERS on the other hand is a collection of 18 tracks that hover around the three minute mark with only a couple even breaking over four. Despite performing as a mere duo with only a couple extras providing a few extra sound effects, JAN DUKE DE GREY sounds like a full band as Bairstow weaves his musical magic on clarinet, flute, tenor sax, bongos, congas and various other percussion as well as lending his vocal harmonic counterpoints. Noy on the other hand handled all the guitars, bass, celesta, piano, more percussion as well as being the other vocal half that belted out the most confident lyrical tales.

If the sheer amount of instrumentation on board isn't impressive enough, so too are the musical influences creeping in at every corner. While the main sources of inspiration at this early stage reside in bands like T. Rex and The Incredible String Band, Noy and Bairstow were far too talented to simply copy their idols and employ a range of extracurricular musical ideas that mix and meld confidently including Donovan inspired psychedelic flute patterns, classical and flamenco guitar as well as the rich melodic tradition of English folk music. Every single track on SORCERERS distinguishes itself from the next conveying everything from dark and sinister moods on tracks like 'MSS' to the more benign little joys of life as heard on tracks like 'Butterfly.' While some are more straight forward melodic developments like the rich melody heard on 'High Priced Room,' some such as 'Cheering Crowd' have a bombastic progressive time signature barrage of off-kilter guitar riffs that give a glimpse to where the music would lead them.

For me, SORCERERS is an instant classic and addictive on every level as the instrumentation is delicately forceful while the melodic harmonic lyrical prose delivers a totally new style of the era that somewhat reminds me of what Gnidrolog would advance a few years later. Also unusual for the day was the use of a heavy percussive drive adding tribal elements to melodic folk guitar which can range from the usual contemporary acts as heard from Bob Dylan and Phil Ochs to the more unusually experimentally psychedelic as heard on 'Yorkshire Indian Sitting In The Sun' with adventurous classical riffing with glissando guitar slides. Also experienced on SORCERERS is a variety of ethnic influences experienced by the Indo-raga sounding percussion to the mondo exotica oriental touch in 'Turkish Time.' SORCERERS should not be overlooked in the least and is a majorly satisfying counterpart to the one two punch that JAN DUKES DE GREY conjured up in a short timespan before disappearing into the musical ethers and allowing their acid folk creations to simmer for vast oceans of time before finally emerging as buried treasures several decades later. While the progressive compositions are nearly nonexistent at this stage, the experimental features are firing on full pistons and i cannot think of any acid folk album released before that is as unique and all-encompassing in scope as SORCERERS.

 Mice And Rats In The Loft by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1971
4.19 | 190 ratings

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Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by ALotOfBottle
Prog Reviewer

5 stars In 1968, Jan Dukes De Grey was formed in Leeds as a duo consisting of a wind player Michael Bairstow and a guitarist and vocalist Derek Noy. The two quickly made a name for themselves in the English folk underground. By the end of 1969, their debut album Sorcerers was released and they were soon joined by a drummer Denis Conlan. The band got a chance to open for acts such as Pink Floyd and The Who. In 1971, the trio recorded Mice And Rats In The Loft, released on the Transatlantic label.

The band's second release, Mice And Rats In The Loft consists of three tracks. The album starts out with the side-long epic "Sun Symphonica", which highlights all basic ingredients that contribute to the album's unique sound. The feel of the track is very ominous and every instrument has its very own part there. Side B features two pieces: "Call Of The Wild" and the title track "Mice And Rats In The Loft". The songs are very diverse without becoming inconsistent.

The music of Jan Dukes De Grey comprises influences of English folk music, root blues, and contemporary acid folk with psychedelic coloring. One can also notice Indian music influences, which give the release a trippy, trance-like feel. The mood of Mice And Rats In The Loft is dark and sinister. Common comparisons to Comus' First Utterance are very much justified, as both albums share stylistic similarities. However, Jan Dukes De Grey's sound is less structured and relies heavily on free-form improvisation. In fact, strong emphasis put on lengthy improvisational passages gives this album a very distinct quality.

Michael Bairstow handles all wind instruments, including a flute, a clarinet, a saxophone, a trumpet, a mouth harp as well as keyboards and some percussion. He proves to be a very proficient and a versatile musician with stylistic abilities ranging from the pagan-sounding flute to the jazzy trumpet to the middle-east-influenced clarinet. Derek Noy plays all guitars. These mainly include an electric 12-string guitar, but acoustic guitars are not uncommon, either. His performance is very experimental, the guitarist is capable of wild, dissonant, exotic-sounding solos as well as more traditional folk guitar play. Where needed, he also provides bass parts, again very proficiently. His vocals possess a dark timbre, which fits for the band's musical nature well. Denis Conlan's drumming keeps up with the band's lively and dynamic style. Jan Dukes De Grey were definitely very competent, accomplished, and experienced mavericks. The lyrical aspect of the album is really hair-rising, often giving the impression of being written by a madman. Although not noted in the liner notes, the album also features violins, whose sound owes a great deal to traditional folk music.

Jan Dukes De Grey's Mice And Rats In The Loft, did not enjoy much success. For many years, the group remained a fairly obscure act. It wasn't until many years later that the album was recognized as a masterpiece. The overall feel of the album is very eccentric and unconventional, the band's sound unique and distinct. Highly recommended! Five stars!

 Mice And Rats In The Loft by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1971
4.19 | 190 ratings

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Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by MyDarling95

5 stars Well hello! The first time I listened to this record I swear I was freaked, you know this thing is strange, challenging and complex. After some listens I could really see what it was. Most people compare this one to Comus' First Utterance, but the only reason they do that is because neither Mice And Rats nor First Utterance can be compared to any record. They are completely unique, there is not even an exact genre or label that could describe them (apart form prog folk, many people call them "acid folk"). Man they cannot be even compared with the other albums of the same band. But hey we are talking about Jan Dukes de Grey isn't it? I adore this album. I simply love the way this album is made. I mean, we get to experience and know the band in three different styles, and the three of them are amazing! Sun Symphonica is the more symphonic side of the band. Just see the instruments they use on it: flute, clarinet, trumpet, violin, I could swear I also hear a bassoon and a cello. Derek Noy's voice is dreadful, but I think this spices the record up, just like Comus vocals (could Noy sing as he does on purpose?). I love the last part with vocals, is like an intense reprise of the first instrumental part. This 19 minute suite predates Supper's Ready, Close To The Edge and Thick As a Brick, so we get a plus! And so we move on. Call Of The Wild is their folky song, and what a song this is! Acoustic guitar is at the top, there are not so many voices and drums arrive late, but still this is another mindblow, such playing skills, and there is nice flute at the end. This could be my favorite song on the album. The title track is the last one, and it is their "heavy" psych side. We get more electric guitar on this one, the song repeats a theme on and on, but this is really good! Vocals arrive periodically, and some different parts arrive to cut the theme for a while, but still returns, mand I could listen to this all day! This is something you have to get now.
 Mice And Rats In The Loft by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1971
4.19 | 190 ratings

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Mice And Rats In The Loft
Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by kenethlevine
Special Collaborator Prog-Folk Team

4 stars There's the progressive folk that largely grew out of 1960s folk rock and incorporated symphonic and psychedelic influences, and then there's the twisted, psychotic and voyeuristically mesmerizing "Mice and Rats in the Loft". As part of my personal project to finally familiarize myself with a few obscure classics of the sub genre, it has been an education in itself, so eclectically proportioned as to recall, at various times, sometimes momentarily and sometimes insistently, the works of such seemingly orthogonal artists as CARAVAN, AMON DUUL 2, MOODY BLUES, ARTHUR BROWN, KING CRIMSON, and others not yet familiar to these ears.

Comparisons have been drawn to COMUS' contemporaneous "First Utterance", which is valid per the morbid subject matter and general disrespect for structure, but Comus was a conventional English folk group by comparison. The first two tracks reinvent themselves many times over from folk to jazz to chamber to symphonic and back around through tight and improvised passages. The title track is more minimalist, but seems indebted to Kraut rock more than anything, with stabs of rhythm guitar throughout this depiction of a satanic ceremony of sorts.

While I highly recommend this and do consider it an underrated classic, it's not a slam dunk in the likability department. It has that "je ne sais quoi" which can possess you to listen again and again until you have absorbed as much as you can without having to ring up the exterminator. 4.5 stars.

 Mice And Rats In The Loft by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1971
4.19 | 190 ratings

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Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by LSDisease

2 stars I discovered this album 5 years ago and it completely didn't catch my attention back then. If you compare this stuff to famous prog albums of that era you'll know why Jan Dukes de Grey didn't make it. It's a half professional musicianship plus not very good production. The guys were ambitious but they didn't practice a lot I guess or just the recording studio wasn't the place they felt good working in. The best thing about this record is that the compositions aren't that bad. Especially 19 minutes long Sun Symphonica with interesting ostinatos somewhere in the end of the song. But don't expect this can replace your Genesis or Jethro Tull albums on the turntable. For collectors only.
 Mice And Rats In The Loft by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1971
4.19 | 190 ratings

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Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by dragonspirit

3 stars The success of this album on this site is, in my opinion, largely attributable to its obscure nature. People who are into non-mainstream music seem to delight in "quality" favorites that no one else has heard of and thus exaggerate their quality. The 4.25 star rating seems entirely unjustified to me, although I could certainly see how someone would rate this album 2 stars. At its worst, it is repetitive, unpolished, wandering, and it has overly abrupt transitions between musical ideas (i.e. a lack of flow). It is not an album that I am especially eager to put on. I agree with other reviewers that the lead vocals are often sub-par. My least favorite track is actually the first one, which others seem to like the best. On the other hand, there are some interesting musical ideas and stylistic contrasts that are often well-executed, and the musicianship seems very good. I like the female vocals and flute on the second track, Call of the Wild. Some of the woodwind passages in that track (as well as others) remind me of 21st Century Schizoid Man by King Crimson.

Overall, this is an idiosyncratic, unpolished piece of music which, to me, demonstrates the creative and technical talent of these artists, but also shows and suffers from their lack of compositional experience.

 Mice And Rats In The Loft by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1971
4.19 | 190 ratings

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Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by b_olariu
Prog Reviewer

3 stars Mice and rats in the loft issued in 1971 with an intresting art work is considered one of the most aplaused and unique albums of it's era, partialy agree, but not entirely. 3 pieces grace the album with a total running around 41 min. What we have here is a trip in a odd/dissonant acid folk with jazzy interplays and some prog elements added. While I do like the instrumental orchestration, has enough great moments to really like here, I'm not attached at all by the vocal abilities of Derek Noy, he sounds like a joke to my ears. Partialy considered similar with bands such as Comus or The Incredible String Band, Jan Dukes de Grey manage to pull a pleasent album , but to me is nothing groundbreaking here, only good towards great pieces, typicaly for that period bith in sound and in manner of composing. My vinyl is a re issue with a great white disc and a perfect sound. 3 rounded to 3.5 for some parts specially from the opening track Sun Symphonica, to me the best tune of the album.
 Sorcerers by JAN DUKES DE GREY album cover Studio Album, 1970
3.78 | 44 ratings

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Sorcerers
Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by Warthur
Prog Reviewer

3 stars Anyone familiar with the drawn-out prog folk epics on Jan Dukes de Grey's famed Mice and Rats In the Loft need only glance at the track list of this one to see that the group has a very different emphasis this time around: wheeling out no less than 18 songs, the album captures the group before their progressive side really developed, instead offering a psychedelic folk blend which focuses mainly on the folk side of the equation. Overall, it's a pleasant enough album, but there was hardly a shortage of hippy folk back in the late 1960s and far better examples are available. Newcomers to Jan Dukes de Grey would be well advised to start off with the followup instead of this one, because on the basis of this they don't seem very special, and it was only with Mice and Rats that they were able to bring something really interesting to the table.
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Jan Dukes De Grey Prog Folk

Review by Dark Nazgul

5 stars bizarre, psychedelic, obsessive, experimental and above all...unique.

This is one of the greatest acid folk albums ever. Always compared to another milestone of the genre (First Utterance by Comus), this album reveals all the desire by Noy and Bairstow for experimentation and improvisation. It is an extremely innovative, not easily accessible to all (so it might not appeal to many), but in my opinion it is a masterpiece, in fact there are no weak points at all, and the quality of the music never falls from the first note to finish.

The music is direct, totally devoid of frills and pomposity. The first two songs are basically built from folk guitar riffs and then arranged in a clearly minimalistic way, mainly with the addition of winds and percussion. The first song, the amazing epic Sun Symphonica, is embellished by a string section; nevertheless, nothing is redundant or excessive. The song, which is over 18 minutes, is a milestone of acid folk, very well built, in my opinion more than any piece of Comus.

Call Of The Wild has a fairly soft start, characterized by soft vocal harmonies and a delicate use of flute. Soon, however, the initial calm is replaced by haunting and distorted guitar riffs, and the song becomes totally experimental.

The third piece, Mice And Rats In The Loft, has more electric sound, it is a real psychedelic trip and is the most aggressive song of the album. Derek Noy is the protagonist, his voice is warm and the tone is recitative, his interpretation extremely theatrical. The remarkable final is enriched by wind instruments.

Among the underground albums of its time, "Mice And Rats In The Loft" can only have a prominent place alongside other works of bands like Black Widow, High Tide, Comus, Tea And Symphony, Tudor Lodge and Family. This album is the clear demonstration of how even the most simple and minimalist music can be incredibly "progressive". Not for everyone, but in my opinion, a masterpiece.

Final rating: 9/10. Well-deserved five stars.

Best song: Sun Symphonica

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