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This Dutch group was one of the earliest Continental European progressive rock bands.

The history of GROUP 1850 (aka GROEP 1850) starts from year 1964 from the band called THE KLITS. There were several changes in the line-up's during the the decade their career lasted, only Peter Sjardin remained as the permanent member of the band. Their first public performance with the name GROUP 1850 was in the Scheveiningen Casion in March 1966. Their gigs gave them attention in the underground scene, and some single releases and radio airplay in Holland followed. In September 1967 they warmed up MOTHERS OF INVENTION at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw, and their first longplayer "Agemo's Trip to Mother Earth" (1968) has been stated as the first Dutch concept LP.

Acid rock elements are clearly present in their first albums from the end of 1960's, and PINK FLOYD's "Saucerful of Secrets" album has surely been an innovator for them, like to so many other spaced out groups. Their music isn't an exact copy of their innovator's sound though, as there is a wide spectrum of different styles merged to the band's music in custom of psychedelia's artistic freedom. The overall feeling of the band's early music is nonrelaxed but not very aggressive, probably pleasing the fans of music describings a cosmic journey within one's mind.

The career of the band continued with both inactive and active periods and with continuous changes in the personnel. Musically maybe the most important event was release of the album "Polyandri" in year 1974. Their mostly instrumental music grew to a larger scope containing strong musical elements.

In the same year the keymembers of the GROUP 1850 performed with the name ORANGE UPSTAIRS (Oranje Boven). The released one album with this name and then changed back to GROUP 1850. The band broke up in 1975, and the members went to join other bands. The original vinyls of the group's releases have reached high prices in the collector's markets.


Discography:
1966 "Look Around / Misty Night" single, Yep 1013
1967 "I know (La Pensee) / I want more" single, Philips JF 333835
1967 "Mother Nohead / Ever Ever Green" single, Philips JF 333901
1968 "Zero 1850 / Frozen Mind" single, Philips JF 333973
1968 "We Love Life / Little Fly" single, Philips JF 334646
1968 "Agemo's Trip to Mother Earth" LP, Philips PY 844083
1969 "Pipeline", single
1969 "Paradise Now" LP, Diskofoon VD 7063
1970 "Don't Let It Be / ...
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2.94 | 12 ratings
Agemo's Trip To Mother Earth
1968
4.03 | 12 ratings
Paradise Now
1969
3.13 | 5 ratings
Polyandri
1975

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3.92 | 4 ratings
Live
1974
3.00 | 2 ratings
Live On Tour
1976

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 Agemo's Trip To Mother Earth by GROUP 1850 album cover Studio Album, 1968
2.94 | 12 ratings

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Agemo's Trip To Mother Earth
Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by Sinusoid
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2 stars I hadn't realized that Group 1850 was part of the database until a couple of months ago. My mother bought their debut for some reason unbeknownst to me, but I got to sneak in a few listens. My conclusion is that AGEMO'S TRIP TO MOTHER EARTH is rather messy and unfocused.

If you've ever had problems with bands that cannot solidify their art for an entire album, Group 1850 seems to have trouble with stability for even a song. ''You Did It Too Hard'' is a good example; for a minute it starts off as a cool heavy-psych song, but then it starts to get destroyed by chirpy dialogue (a la Frank Zappa circa WE'RE ONLY IN IT?) that is complete buzzkill. And in comparison to Zappa's band, they (up until MONEY) could use the goony humour in good context; there simply isn't a good excuse that ''You Did It Too Hard'' ends the way it does.

And that's just the shortest song. ''Refound'' and ''Reborn'' achieve the best consistency on the record, but sound like prelude or interlude tracks that merely pad. Big problem-those two songs close the album. They save the rating of the record, but ending the album on that kind of lull is simply a bad idea. Noise excursion also disrupts the flow of the record (to their credit, none are separate tracks) of which most tracks sound like lesser Mothers, Moody Blues (the big influence I detected; listen to the spoken word section in ''A Point in This Life'') and Procol Harum songs.

''I Put My Hands on Your Shoulder'' is no exception to the rule; in fact, it represents the problems I have with this album. While there are great riffs throughout, the transitions are too kneejerk for any core stability. Worse is that five minutes in, there's a 5.5 (I timed it) minute ''pause'' for phased drumming under an oddball and out-of-place poetry recitation. This section never needed to happen in the first place, let alone for as long as it is.

The psych-rock stuff wouldn't be that bad if it had some consistency. The credit for being one of the first Dutch prog bands only goes so far with me (considering that Focus and Golden Earring are along the way, Dutch prog has come quite a distance). My favourite song associated with this album is ''We Love Life'', a non-album single. There is some potential in this group, but that potential isn't put to the best use here.

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 Polyandri by GROUP 1850 album cover Studio Album, 1975
3.13 | 5 ratings

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Polyandri
Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by octopus-4
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3 stars The third and last full length album of Group 1850 is very different from the others. The big differences are in the release date, as the summer of love is long gone and even the psychedelia is changing shape, and in the lineup shown in the album's booklet.

The band originally composed of four members in the first album, five with the addition of Dave Duba in the second is now a patchwork of instrumentists as 13 people are credited and only the bassist Dolf Geldof, a new entry, and the keyboardist Peter Sjardin, one original band member, played on almost all the tracks. This is a consequence of the turbulences which have initially led to a merge of the original band with the "ORANGE BOVEN" and a bit later to the definitive disbanding.

It's interesting the fact that regardless the differences in the lineup that we find from one song to the other the album seems to have an internal coherence and continuity. Apart of the blues of "U" which has krautrock vocals and can be considered a krautrock track, all the other songs are I think precursors of the psychedelia to come like 35007 and OZRIC TENTACLES.

some tracks are very good, specially the most electronic, like "Cages". The sax on "Avant Les Pericles" is remarkable. This is effectively a sax solo with some keyboard background with a little noisy interlude and jazzy drums in the final.

Only the last track "Pumping Up The Rubber Trees" is reminding of the past as it features three of the original band's members.

A good album, so rare to be a valuable collection item (I don't own it on vinyl, unfortunately), but a step behind its predecessors.

3 stars

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 Paradise Now by GROUP 1850 album cover Studio Album, 1969
4.03 | 12 ratings

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Paradise Now
Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by octopus-4
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4 stars Take a good portion of 60s psychedelia spiced with a touch of krautrock. This can give an idea of what Group 1850's music is, but let me add that while the musicianship of psychs and krauts was not always good, this band knows how to play.

I have listened to this band for the first time a lot of years ago (maybe 30). I spent a night in a house in the country, jamming on guitar, bass and drums and listening to music of this kind. You can imagine the rest.

The title track is a fusion of Californian psych with a bolero-like tempo but with vocals more in line with krautrock. Not so "weird" like CAN or so "doped" like AMON DUUL.

"Friday I'm Free" is more British. The vocals have a lot of reverb so it's just another instrument. The tempo is fast and while the guitar sounds like Barrett, bass and drums anticipate the times to come with a rhythm that has brought to my mind bands like OZRIC TENTACLES, QUANTUM FANTAY or 35007.

"Hunger" has the pauses typical of MOODY BLUES with kraut vocals and a melody very '60 close to the psychedelic period of BEATLES but also to SYD BARRETT with a bit of blues, too. One of the most acid tracks of an acid album.

"Cycle" is a short interlude with a Canterbury flavor and the first of three very short songs. The second is "Lonelyness" that's more floydian. Both the guitar and the voice sound similar to BARRETT and also the keyboard plays a melody with the middle-eastern scales used by Wright until Ummagumma. The third, "Martin En Peter" is very reminding of Floyd's PARTY SEQUENCE from More. Percussion keyboard and flute.

"!?" starts with clean rhythmic guitar followed by a keyboard melody. The guitar plays open major chords while the melody goes on minor tones with an acid sound. The contrast creates a sort of middle-eastern mood, but fundamentally it's a psych-blues track. I think to ARZACHEL as reference. It's the kind of track good for a jamming night.

The longest track closes the album. It's an acid blues again very close to the PINK FLOYD of MORE. I think to "More Blues". Here we can clearly distinguish the two guitars, the second played by Dave Duba, the new fifth band's member. I don't know if he's also one of the two singers, but this second singer has a voice quite similar to JIMI HENDRIX and when the rhythm increases the influence of that great performer appears clearly. It's a long...well, not very long, jam session. Also because a good portion of it is just a drum solo. A good solo which demonstrates the drummer's skill before coming back to the initial blues.

I'm used to relisten to an album while I write a review and honestly this album has brought my mind to 30 years before. A short and nice trip in the space-time thanks to an album which deserves to be known by the psych music addicts and shows a skill that was not very common in that time for that genre.

The average rating is not going to change. I see that all have rated this with 4 stars and this is also my opinion.

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 Agemo's Trip To Mother Earth by GROUP 1850 album cover Studio Album, 1968
2.94 | 12 ratings

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Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by octopus-4
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3 stars Pink Floyd, Beatles and Zappa seem to be the principal influences for this dutch band, but possibly none of them really as the album is very fitting in its time. Lot of music was sounding so in 1968 across the world. Listening more carefully I hear also echoes of Gong, Wishbone Ash. In particular the girl speaking on the second track reminds me the witch on Gong's trilogy (which came after this album), while the guitar solo followed by the organ at the end of the same track is very "early floyd".

"I Put My Hands On Your Shoulder" is a psychedelic epic. The harmonica gives it a touch of Grateful Dead, but it's very close to Syd Barrett too. Again, being this album released in 1968 I don't think that speaking of "influences" is correct. They had probably the same influences of Barrett and the others. The Chaotic part of this long track is less chaotic respect to things like "Interstellar Overdrive". The spoken part, partially in Dutch(it's the translation of what the speaker says in English), makes me think to Hawkwind, too. The long drums solo doesn't have anything to do with Nick Mason, of course. When the other instruments there's a flavour of American Psychedelia: a bluesy bass over which the guitar is quite Hendrixian.

"You Did It Too Hard" is back on the chords of Zappa with good sax and hypnotic rhythm.

"A Point In His Life" is opened by a long harpsichord solo. Very hypnotic as well. Then just a speaker telling a story with some guitar (looped maybe) in the background....silence...bass. Another bluesy moment in crescendo then an unusual guitar solo. Very good for a '68 party.

"Refound" Is quite a "regular" song, without excesses based on a clean guitar and with some flute.

The closer "Reborn" starts with a female choir of "flower-power" flavour. The spanish mood of the guitar between the choral parts reminds to Pink Floyd's More, but all the song is very floydian.

It's a good debut album on which the band has placed some good ideas, but it lacks a direction. The band had actually ideas not clear enough....of course a psychedelic band in 1968 is not expected to be made of "clear minds".

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 Paradise Now by GROUP 1850 album cover Studio Album, 1969
4.03 | 12 ratings

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Paradise Now
Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by friso
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4 stars Group 1850 - Paradise Now (1969)

This band was one of the earliest space/psychedelic/progressive rock bands and certainly the first Dutch prog-band. Their very psychedelic debut from '68 is a forgotten starting point of the genre. Whilst Group 1850 must have been a provocative and mind-blowing experience at it's time of release, the band never became very famous. The vinyls of the band are very expensive these days and I felt lucky to get this early vinyl reprint (with the alternative blue cover with names).

Paradise Now is a spacey and psychedelic record with use of symphonic keyboards/organs, Gilmore & Hendrix influenced guitars, stoned amateur vocals and an underground-feel rhythm section. The result is a rare record sounding like a... well an obscure and rare record. There are mostly symphonic compositions on side one with mainly the spacey opener as a highlight, whilst the second side is more concentrated on improvisation. In between there is a little bit of song-writing and a psychedelic folk-track as opener for side two. The ending track Purple Sky has a strong blues-rock influenced style. Perhaps early Floyd can be named a main influence for the band, but that's speculation.

This is the kind of record that will make collectors feel very satisfied. It's hard to find, it has a distinctive obscure sound and it really is a very impressive record for the year 1969. When it comes to great compositions or professional playing the record fails to be very impressive, but it's atmospheric and positively naive throughout and most of the guitar-solo's of Daniël van Bergen sound great.

Conclusion. Obscure (sounding) psychedelic/space record with an emphasis on synth/organ and electric guitars. For certain the first progressive rock band to come with a record from Holland. A big three and a halve stars for this one, but mainly recommended to fans of obscure prog, early prog and spacey prog.

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 Agemo's Trip To Mother Earth by GROUP 1850 album cover Studio Album, 1968
2.94 | 12 ratings

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Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by Dobermensch

4 stars An adventurous experimental psychedelic album from a bunch of guys from Holland, of all places. Like everything in '68 stereo panning has been thrown into overdrive. It sounds great and it's similar to Floyd and a clutch of other bands who got carried away with this technology too back then. I guess everyone was so excited by the advent of stereo that they just had to take it to extremes. Talking of Floyd - if you like 'Piper' and 'Saucerful'- you'll more than likely dig this baby. This is pure 60's acid freak goofiniess and I really quite like it. It's reverb a go-go and new fangled electronic effects throughout on just about every instrument played is the order of the day. I just can't believe they're Dutch! Highly entertaining. Good stuff.

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 Paradise Now by GROUP 1850 album cover Studio Album, 1969
4.03 | 12 ratings

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Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by Mellotron Storm
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4 stars GROUP 1850's debut was really "out there" sort of speak with some great ideas, I just didn't enjoy it that much. "Paradise Now" is this Dutch band's second album and is much more laid back and less experimental with a lot more percussion. And I love it.

"Paradise Now" is haunting to start out as we get some spoken words.The organ floats in and builds.The song kicks in after 1 1/2 minutes and our trip has begun. Great tune. "Friday I'm Free" sounds even better than the opening song. Bass, guitar, drums and tripped out vocals lead the way. "Hunger" opens with outbursts of sound coming and going then it settles with vocals.This is very FLOYD-like. Psychedelic guitar after 2 minutes. "Circle" is a short uptempo instrumental. "Lonelyness" has some interesting ideas on it. It's like being fried in the sixties.

"Martin En Peter" features percussion and flute for the most part. Very ethnic sounding. "?!" is an outstanding tune as it builds to this fairly catchy melody of drums, guitar and organ. Check out the psychedelic gutar later. "Purple Sky" has a Jimi Hendrix vibe to it. It opens with random drum patterns as the guitar cries out. The song settles into a heavy but slow groove. Spoken vocals before 2 minutes. The guitar starts to solo 3 minutes in until we get dual guitars that echo a minute later. It settles right down 5 1/2 minutes in then the drums start to solo. The guitar and bass are back after 8 minutes.This is great ! Some scorching guitar follows.

A classic Psychedelic album.

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 Agemo's Trip To Mother Earth by GROUP 1850 album cover Studio Album, 1968
2.94 | 12 ratings

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Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by Mellotron Storm
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3 stars 3.5 stars. GROUP 1850's debut came out in 1968 so you know they were like pioneers in The Netherlands when it comes to Psychedelic and Progressive music. PINK FLOYD is surely an influence, many mention "A Saucerful Of Secrets" when trying to reveal what this album sounds like. They use both Dutch and English vocals.

"Steel Sings" opens with percussion as faint vocals arrive followed by guitar and a full sound. This is very 60's sounding. Spacey synths are shooting around. Nice guitar later. "Little Fly" opens with the sound of a creeking door being opened. Vocal melodies follow then spoken female vocals.Male vocals are up next. I like the guitar. She's back as themes are repeated. I like these first two tracks a lot.

"I Put My Hands On Your Shoulder" is the 13 1/2 minute epic. It opens with slowly sung vocals. The tempo picks up before a minute. A fuller sound 3 1/2 minutes in. It turns experimental. Spoken words in Dutch after 5 1/2 minutes go on and on. Drums join in. It all kicks back in around 11 minutes as guitar takes the lead. Thunder 13 minutes in to end it. "You Did It Too Hard" is a Zappa-like tune with silly vocals and lyrics. "A Point In This Life" is where they get silly again as you can hear someone smoking a joint 2 minutes in. The music that follows sounds great. Some flute and percussion early on this one. "Refound" opens with flute and gentle guitar. Organ and reserved vocals join in. A good song. "Reborn" is a mellow track with female vocals. Birds are singing to end it.

Lots of good ideas here but I can't give it 4 stars yet. The enjoyment factor needs to rise.

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 Live by GROUP 1850 album cover Live, 1974
3.92 | 4 ratings

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Group 1850 Psychedelic/Space Rock

Review by Agemo

4 stars This is spacerock at its best. They sound a lot more aggressive and heavy than on their studio albums. When you are looking at comparison, it reminds a lot like Hawkwind's "Space Ritual" (1973). But remember, this album was recorded in 1969.

The album opens with the title track of their second album, "Paradise now". A short track to set the tone. It's a raw and heavy instrumental. Next is the track "Years in every day", which would later appear on the album "Polyandri". A heavy rocker with some great guitarplay by Duba and some spacey organ and sax solos. The sax is played by guest Ko Sprang. Two lines of text are the only vocals you hear. The next track is also one that would later appear ojn "Polyandri". This is probably their best space-rocker. It is a long track with a pounding, up-tempo rhythm and again great organiser and guitar solos. The conga playing of Neppy Noya, who guests on two tracks, gives the track at times an ethnic atmosphere. Half way the track Sjardin sings just like Jimi Hendrix. If you are into space rock this is absolutely the best track of the album. It is followed by another tune from the "Paradise now album", "Purple sky". It sounds less bluesy than on the studio album and more spacey, great performance indeed. It is followed by the improvised "Noyas congas". This one sounds a bit like Camel's "God of light". The album ends with the track "Verandering" (dutch for Change). This is a solo performance by Sjardin on his home made Organiser, an instrument that was originally an organ. It is an SF, psychedelic spacey soundscape where he demonstrates all the possibilities of this strange instrument.

All in all this is a great album and a great performance by Group 1850. Anyone who likes some good space rock should enjoy this album.

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