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2.87 | 66 ratings | 5 reviews | 6% 5 stars

Good, but non-essential

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Studio Album, released in 1968

Songs / Tracks Listing

1. Ho Veduto (3:15)
2. Vorrei Comprare Una Strada (2:08)
3. Signore, Io Sono Irish (3:15)
4. Susy Forrester (2:30)
5. Al Bar Dell'Angolo (2:28)
6. Duemila (2:40)
7. Tu Ricordi Joe? (2:48)
8. Padre O'Brien (2:54)
9. Tom Flaherty (2:18)
10. Andrò Ancora (2:15)

Total time 26:31

Line-up / Musicians

- Vittorio De Scalzi / guitar, vocals
- Nico Di Palo / guitar, vocals
- Mauro Chiarugi / keyboards
- Giorgio D'Adamo / bass, backing vocals
- Gianni Belleno / drums, backing vocals

- Gianpiero Reverberi / orchestra conductor, co-producer

Releases information

Artwork: Benito "Bunny" Merli

LP Cetra ‎- LPX. 3 (1968, Italy)
LP Vinyl Magic ‎- VMLP 130 (2008, Italy)

CD Fonit Cetra ‎- CDM 2038 (1989, Italy)
CD Warner Fonit ‎- 3984 26611-2 (1999, Germany)

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NEW TROLLS Senza Orario, Senza Bandiera ratings distribution

(66 ratings)
Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music(6%)
Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection(20%)
Good, but non-essential (38%)
Collectors/fans only (26%)
Poor. Only for completionists (11%)

NEW TROLLS Senza Orario, Senza Bandiera reviews

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Review by andrea
3 stars "Senza orario, senza bandiera" is a concept album that New Trolls released with the collaboration of Fabrizio De Andrè, Riccardo Mannerini and Giampiero Reverberi: the singer songwriter De Andrè and the poet Mannerini wrote the lyrics while Reverberi (later producer of Le Orme's "Collage", "Uomo di pezza", "Felona e Sorona" and "Contrappunti") arranged the music. Nevertheless this is not a progressive album and the music is more close to Procol Harum or early Bee Gees than to "Concerto Grosso" or "Ut". You can find here some remarkable harmony vocals (a kind of New Troll's trademark) and some interesting guitar parts but not particularly complex compositions.

The thread that bounds together the different songs is the idea of a poet that goes along the streets of the world surveying places and people looking for feelings and emotions. The poet describes the places and the characters he's seen in the tracks of the album. The opener "Ho veduto" introduces the "subject" of this peculiar concept with vocals floating upon a simple acoustic rhythm guitar pattern. "I've seen sun rise from Thule's ices / I've seen the golden tints of the mosques / The big waves of Gascony, the white sharks / The hovels, the houses of the rich people and I've cried."

Then follows a gallery of characters. A man whishing to buy a street full of lights, colours and playing children in New York's city centre ("Vorrei comprare una strada", with amazing harmony vocals). A man praying the Lord longing for a bicycle ("Signore, io sono Irish" Lord, my name is Irish). A woman loosing youth and beauty waiting in vain for love ("Susy Forrester"). A gambler loosing his money ("Al bar dell'angolo"). A fisherman's son with holes in his shoes sitting in a corner while in the sky above starships are exploring the universe ("Duemila"). Two marines talking about the war in the Philippines ("Ti ricordi Joe?" - Do you remember Joe?). A priest wishing to have just a little part of the money wasted in a long war to help poor people ("Padre O'Brien"). A romantic man too shy to say I love you ("Tom Flaherty").

The final track "Andrò ancora" is a reprise of "Ho veduto". "I'll keep on going along the streets of the world with sincere eyes / I'll look everywhere for the pain and the happiness of men / I'll count the bitter tears of suffering people, the smiles of the people waiting with begging arms / I'll keep on going without timetable, without flag / I'll lean towards ill people and fountains, towards children's faces / I'll walk among rubbish and money without stopping / I'll keep on going and when I'm back I'll be older and better."

In the whole "Senza orario, senza bandiera" is a good album that contains some seeds of the future masterpieces of the band, though it's perhaps too short (just less than 30 minutes). Anyway, in my opinion it's not an essential one for a progressive rock collection.

Review by DamoXt7942
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3 stars In this album, there's full of greatness of early New Trolls.

Listening to the first track Ho veduto, with the gloomy and lazy voice, I couldn't stop feeling that it might be an avantgarde Italian pop album. But, little by little, their potential goes and rises up. Featuring a bit cheap chorus (sorry!), the old NT flavour opens and enlarges. The A-side (aka the first half) of the album has no or little atmosphere with our imagination of NT on the progressive period. The important point of this work is, I consider, the 8th track Padre o'Brien because the song does have the flavour and wave of progressive NT. The incomplete story goes calmly to the last Andrò ancora.

We maybe feel to get some of future brightness from early NT.

With much and great hope, I can give appreciation to this.

Review by ZowieZiggy
2 stars Debut album from this legendary Italian band. Released ages ago, before prog was prog? Some sort of a dinosaur album.

Most songs are under the three minutes mark and needless to say, there is hardly any musical development. Only a couple of fine melodies with crafted vocals.

One has to be indulgent with this album but still, "Procol Harum" released one of their best album the same year ("Shine on Brightly"). We are far from such a feeling while listening to "Senza Orario, Senza Bandiera".

One of the good songs is the passionate "Signore, Io Sono Irish". Some good old psyche feel sustaining a melancholic vocal part. Even if this song doesn't sound very fresh, one has to remember that it was released more than forty years ago.

The late pop sixties impression is al around this release. Some weak trumpets and rather dull orchestrations are spread out here: "Al Bar Dell' Angolo" and "Duemila" just get this appreciation confirmed.

This album is only to be considered for what it stands for. A discreet debut (remember the first "Genesis" blunder) for better things to come. Two stars.

Review by zeuhl1
3 stars The debut from the influential Italian prog band New Trolls released way back in 1968, Senzo Orario, Senza Bandiera (kind of hard to translate-"without a schedule, without a flag" is vaguely close) stands as perhaps the first Italian pop release in what became known later as RPI. A collaboration between national folk icon Fabrizio De Andre (unknown in America but thought of by generations as the Bob Dylan of Italy) and Gianperi Reverberi listed prominently in the inner gatefold, this album is a very sophisticated rock opera best understood if you are fluent in Italian. However, if you are not, there is still plenty to enjoy here.

All songs flow from one to the next as we journey through the eyes of the poet narrator (De Andre) to create a single seamless work as he crosses the world with eyes and ears open to everyone he encounters-mostly the poor and downtrodden, but each with their own story. Opener Ho Veduto (I saw) is one of the stronger songs-bolstered by solid horns-and is a vague take on horn driven US rock of the early era like Electric Flag and Chicago. Third song Signore Io Sono Irish (still in their live setlist from time to time to this day) is a sad lament for a man who lacks his own bicycle. Moody Blues vibes flow from the end of Signore Io Sono Irish into Suzy Forrester, a song that would have sat comfortably on any early album by the Arthur Lee led Love. Al Bar Dell'Angolo has a cool distinctive horn riff and counterpoint vocals-catchy. Side one is over too soon.

Side two opens with the jaunty Duemila, a song where the band shows hints of what is to come musically. Already Di Palo is a force to be reckoned with vocally, and he and De Scalzi show strong compositional skills. The song breaks down before building to a fantasy orchestral ending. As before this is the bridge to our next stop on the poet's journey, Tu Ricordi Joe? (please refer to the great translations by Andrea in the first review of this album). Padre O'Brien and Tom Flaherty are plaintive and orchestrated, with some flickers of the NT sound to come. We finally arrive at the end, Andro Ancora, a revisiting of the opening song Ho Veduto. The listener gets reminded of the themes uniting the album, and also reminded that this was the best song on the album. And with that, we are done in a scant 27 minutes, a short even for the era album.

Overall, this isn't a collection of songs like the self titled follow up, but a single cohesive work, a tour through the world and an observation on really varied examples of the human condition. Great use of horns throughout. Easily identifiable as a 60's product, this is valuable as a single work, the first rock opera in Italy, and barring Days of Future Passed, one of the first concept albums in all of rock. DeAndre would show up later in 1980 in collaboration with PFM, so some may not be aware of his dabbling in Italian proto prog back in 1968.

Three stars for RPI fans, and for its importance in Italian rock history in being more of a complete work of art than just a pop album. For prog fans, unless you are into really early roots of prog, you might be disappointed.

2.75 stars

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4 stars This New Troll album is very important for the rock music scene in Italy, an album that interrupts and closing of the "Beat" period and opens and begins a new period of the "Psychedelic" in Italy, laying the foundations of that genre that was called "Progressive". 1968 (Senza Orario e Senza Bandi ... (read more)

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