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3.84 | 34 ratings | 4 reviews | 35% 5 stars

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Songs / Tracks Listing

CD 1: (35:21)
1. Intro (1:29)
2. Schwebebahn (6:33)
3. Häktik Intergaläktik (8:08)
4. Circus (8:04)
5. Phasing (11:07)
CD 2: (45:32)
1. Streaming (8:15)
2. Die Stadt (12:12)
3. Mad house (7:24)
4. Sun rays (8:44)
5. Soft landing (8:57)

Total Time: 80:53

Line-up / Musicians

- Hans Bäär / bass
- Michael Bruchmann / drums
- Joachim Grumbkow / keyboards, backing vocal
- Christoph Noppeney / viola, vocals
- Pablo Weeber / guitars

Releases information

2CD Music Is Intelligence WMMS 047/ WMMS 048 (1994) Germany

Digital remasterd by EMI in 2005 with 2 bonus tracks *,
Before you lay down (6:55)
Traum (18:33), played live in Goeteborg (Sweden) still with Hoelderlin founder Christian Grumbkow / guitars

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Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music(35%)
Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection(44%)
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Review by erik neuteboom
4 stars This is a very underrated German progressive rock band! The double-album "Hoelderlin Live - Traumstadt" is their finest work and showcases the band at their pinnacle. It's still considered as one of the milestones in the German rock history and has some similarities with other German progrock band GROBSCHNITT concerning the long solos, visual effects, costumes and humor. The music was recorded in the Wuppertaler Opernhaus in October '77, the 2-LP was released in '78. The band was hit by multiple changes in the line- up, on "Traumstadt" the musicians were Joachim Grumbkow (keyboards and vocals on "Streaming"), Pablo Weeber (all guitars), Michael Bruchmann (drums), Cristoph 'Nops' Noppeney (lead vocals and violin) and Hans Baar (bass). All the nine melodic tracks have their own climate and features fluid accellarations, nice interludes, pleasant keyboards (string-ensemble, electric piano, organ and clavinet) and great interplay between electric guitar and violin. But the focus is on the solowork: fiery ("Sun Rays"), biting ("Soft Landing") and howling ("Die Stadt") on the electric guitar and exciting ("Streaming") and spectacular ("Die Stadt") on the violin. Many solos are supported by the wonderful and distinctive sound of the string-ensemble, a compelling combination! Recommended, especially to the fans of the violinplay of JEAN LUC PONTY and EDDIE JOBSON.
Review by Sean Trane
3 stars 3.5 stars really!!!

After a series of three studio albums of above-average symphonic prog (and a prog folk debut fairly different to what they had been din of late), Hoelderlin released the obligatory double live record. Recorded over two consecutive nights, in late 77, the album actually makes a correct recap of those three albums, just before the band will change musical direction the following year. Unsurprisingly we find the line-up of the Rare Bird album, where both Kaseberg brothers are gone from the stage and only one of the Grumbkow brothers is still around (on stage since the other is behind the desk). The newcomers have well adapted to the group, changing only lightly the general sound of the self-titled album band, and if the playing is very apt, there are times when the band sounds a bit flat on this record. In retrospect, the following changes of direction might have seemed judicious, since the band was coming to exhaustion, but the proghead has every right to be displeased with future albums of theirs.

Anyway, after the ever-exciting Schwabebahn (the lead off track from their great eponymous album), the groups heads for their recent Rare Bird album with Intergalaktik (better live than studio), then the centre of the album will be axed towards the C&C album with the both the clowns and the clouds side getting a fair share of exposure, but as the studio album had let us guess the Clouds side was much more inspired, the same can be said in concert. Circus does not really gain much, while Mad House is only marginally better in this version; it is the Streaming-Phasing duo (presented in the reverse order though) that gets the full honours here. Two previously elsewhere- unavailable tracks are present here; with the 12-min+ Die Stadt (The City) and the finale almost 9-min Soft Landing. None of those two tracks bring much new to Hoelderlin's musical propos, but are a definite bonus to confirmed fans of the group. The lenghty Die Stadt is actually a showcase for solos of the band members and present the inevitable lengths, although the exercise is not completely useless either, since it is one of the better such showcases. The ill-named finale is anything but tranquil and provides as good an outro as the lead-off Schwabebahn was an intro. But this highlight comes a bit too late, toooooo bad!!!

Not my ideal track selection for the ultimate presentation of Hoelderlin's classic period, Traumstadt (making a useless reference to their early folk prog album) is a fairly good introduction to their symphonic rock. One of the unfortunate things is that this is still a double disc affair in Cd, but they could've added a few more tracks than the vinyl original issue.

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4 stars A superb live testament to this often underated band at the peak of their instrumental powers. Superbly recorded and boasting two lengthy bonus tracks - Before you lay down recorded the previous night to the bulk of the original album release - and Traum recorded for a radio broadcast in 1977 - ... (read more)

Report this review (#201987) | Posted by barp | Saturday, February 7, 2009 | Review Permanlink

4 stars This is one of the greatests live albuns from Germany. For people who don't like a lot the saxophone find on "Clown & Clouds" and the folk style on "Hoelderlin" and "Hoelderlin Traums", this is a perfect chance. In this live album we find a more strong Hoelderlin, with more guitar presence... ... (read more)

Report this review (#3510) | Posted by Grobsch | Wednesday, June 16, 2004 | Review Permanlink

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