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Mogwai

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Studio Album, released in 2011

Songs / Tracks Listing

1. White Noise (5:04)
2. Mexican Grand Prix (5:18)
3. Rano Pano (5:15)
4. Death Rays (6:01)
5. San Pedro (3:27)
6. Letters to the Metro (4:41)
7. George Square Thatcher Death Party (4:00)
8. How to Be a Werewolf (6:23)
9. Too Raging to Cheers (4:30)
10. You're Lionel Richie (8:29)

Total Time 53:08

11. The Singing Mountain (26:00) - ltd. edition only

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Line-up / Musicians

- Dominic Aitchison / bass
- Stuart Braithwaite / guitar
- Martin Bulloch / drums
- Barry Burns / guitar & keyboard
- John Cummings / guitar

Releases information

Released on 14 February 2011 in the UK and Europe through Rock Action Records, and 15 February 2011 in the US through Sub Pop

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3.63
(110 ratings)
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Review by zravkapt
SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Post/Math Rock Team
4 stars This album turned out to be a lot better than I assumed it would be. I have not heard any of Mogwai's post-2003 music other than a few songs, which I didn't think much of. I love the album title, it sounds like something I would say to somebody except "hardcore" would be replaced with a different word every time. It goes along with other wonderfully ironic album titles from this group (Rock Action, Happy Songs For Happy People). What stood out the most for me with this release is that it generally does not sound like your typical post-rock, even though Mogwai is one of the most popular and influential post-rock bands.

There is a strong post-punk/"New Wave"/"Alternative"/"Indie" influence on this album. There is more of a steady rhythm section here, although the music can sometimes be melodic or even symphonic at times. The opener "White Noise" is one of the highlights. A very uplifting and moving song, sounds like Sigur Ros on steroids. "Mexican Grand Prix" is more electronic featuring vocoder vocals. This is a very post-punk/New Wave sounding song. This song reminds me of the Canadian group Broken Social Scene, especially the whispered vocals. It also reminds me of Trans Am as well.

"Rano Pano" is yet another stand out track. This sounds like AC/DC on acid. There are certain sounds here which I'm not sure are made with guitar or synth. Starts out raw and aggressive but eventually gets more melodic and atmospheric. "Death Rays" is more typical Mogwai compared to the first three songs. "San Pedro" is a very indie/alternative sounding song. This also reminds me of Trans Am. "Letters To The Metro" features piano and is a nice melodic, mellow song.

"George Square Thatcher Death Party" is more indie/alternative. Again reminds me of Broken Social Scene. I love the altered vocals here. "How To Be A Werewolf" opens with interesting sounds. Then it goes into more typical post-rock territory. Eventually it settles into an almost 1990s U2 sound. It ends up sounding more like 1980s Sonic Youth as it goes along. "Too Raging To Tears" is more electronic, reminding me of Boards Of Canada. A great song. Perhaps the most melodic song on the album. Sounds like violin here. Turns into symphonic rock.

The last song "You're Lionel Richie" is back to traditional Mogwai. You hear somebody talking in some language, not exactly sure which. Starts off mellow and subdued but later gets louder and more rocking while still retaining a slow pace. Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will is a great 2011 release. A very consistent album, although admittedly, not every song could be categorized as "prog." This is more melodic and 'traditional' rock sounding than most post-rock. In this case, that's a good thing. Happy Songs is my fave Mogwai album, but this may replace it eventually. 3.5 rounded up to 4 stars.

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Posted Friday, June 03, 2011

Review by The Truth
COLLABORATOR Post/Math Rock Team
4 stars Mogwai dished out another excellent 2011 release that proves that this year may be the year of post-rock with many great releases coming from that genre.

I've never heard any album quite like this one and I'm not sure what it is about it I love. There is definitely a wide range of influences, I hear some from Radiohead and some from GY!BE and there are many others and I think I love this alot. The album is never boring at any point in time and each track maintains the listener's interest with ease, each one is crafted beautifully into post-rock at it's absolute best.

A perfect example of this perfect post-rock would be the closing track which contains voice samples, an excellent atmosphere, slow building intensity and various other small things that really make the listener admire the beauty.

It's an album of those subtle little things that you can't put you're finger on but you know you love.

A strong contender for album of the year, 4 stars.

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Posted Wednesday, June 29, 2011

Review by Conor Fynes
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4 stars 'Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will' - Mogwai (7/10)

Although the most anticipated albums usually wait to the latter end of the year to be released, 2011 opened up with the release of the latest Mogwai LP, 'Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will'. Mogwai is one of the most enduring examples of post-rock that is out there, and along with other acts like Explosions In The Sky, they have become the backbone of the scene. Like many of the most influential bands out there, Mogwai have had a central sound and style to them, but as time goes on, they have changed their direction up a bit. Mogwai's latest effort is a somewhat scattered and eclectic, but strong addition to the saga of this band.

Although my initial discovery of post-rock some years ago saw me getting very excited about some of the music in this genre, I would say that my appreciation and enjoyment of what post-rock generally has to offer has dwindled, since becoming wise to the fact that despite it being a style of music that is considered even 'experimental' in the eyes of the mainstream press, far too many bands hack the tricks of others, and the music only rarely challenges me as a listener. These things could be said about Mogwai and the music on this newest album, but then again, Mogwai was one of the bands that most bands after would take a note or two from, so for that much, they are excused. 'Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will' is still very much post-rock, but coming as something of a surprise to me, there is a direction and sense of songwriting here that is a farther cry from the longwinded ebbs and flows, and tremolo ambiance that post-rock usually delivers. Although not entirely to-the- point, Mogwai does appear to be trimming alot of the fat off, in order to create more of a payoff with less time investment and patience on the listeners part. Instead of a gradual and slow build up, Mogwai now takes little time to get to the central idea of their song, and many of the tracks here generally only have one mood going for them.

This seems to be a switch-off or equal exchange of pros and cons, rather than a total improvement. While it is great for post-rock and Mogwai to be recognizing that certain aspects of their writing and sound can become- dare I say- boring at times, there is decidedly less satisfaction that comes from a climax when it is thrown at you after only a few seconds of waiting. While it makes the music considerably more accessible, there is more enjoyment I have here than with most of your more typical post-rock, which I usually do not have the patience for to get into properly. On top of the mostly instrumental music that the band does, there are even some vocals here, which I may have been a little skeptical about, but they work brilliantly here. Instead of a clear voice, the vocal tone is muffled and spaced out, giving a near-shoegaze impression from it. Used more or less as an instrument like the others, the voice contributes greatly to the handful of moments on the album it can be heard on. I can only hope that Mogwai decide to pursue the use of ambient vocals more in future projects.

'Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will' is a sign to me that the realm of post-rock is finally opting to change up its pace in order to prevent an otherwise inevitable extinction, and like they are prone to do, I am sure Mogwai's more concise sound here will influence other bands to do the same. The album here feels somewhat scattered, but there are great ideas here and the fact that Mogwai has reinvented themselves here makes the album notable and interesting, even for someone who does not necessarily appreciate the sounds of the genre anymore.

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Posted Monday, August 01, 2011

Review by J-Man
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3 stars Scottish post-rock act Mogwai have had quite a long and enduring career since their formation in 1996, and many of their albums are now regarded as classics within the post- rock genre. Often considered one of the scene's most important acts, any new release from Mogwai is bound to gain a bit of buzz within the community, and their latest effort may have fans talking more than any of their previous outings. Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will is their eighth full-length studio album, and shows these veterans experimenting outside of the realm their trademark post-rock sound. While still firmly rooted in melancholic atmospheres and (for the most part) standard instrumentation, the occasional electronic- sounding vocal section and unique songwriting structure make this far from your average post-rock release. Mogwai's mild change in direction is ultimately a double-edged sword, but I'd say that this is generally a solid effort from Scotland's premier post-rock act. Fans of the band should definitely investigate this one.

Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will is mostly instrumental post rock - I'll get to the vocal sections later - with a strong emphasis on melody and repetition. In that sense, Mogwai plays fairly conventional music on this album, but the more-upbeat songs like "George Square Thatcher Death Party" and the use of synthesizer make this different from many post-rock outings. Although I like the idea of Mogwai using some singing to add variation into the mix, I must confess that I find the vocals to be pretty uninspired at best, and detrimental to the music at worst. Granted, the songs with vocals are the weakest compositions to begin with, but the electronically distorted and monotonous vocals really don't enhance the music here by any measure. A talented singer without all of the effects and gimmicks would've been much more effective. It's also worth noting that the songs with singing - "Mexican Grand Prix" and "George Square Thatcher Death Party" - are the weakest compositions by far, vocals aside, and lack the subtle beauty of a song like "Letters to the Metro". The tedious alternative/pop of the aforementioned tracks is not up alley, to say the least.

The production on Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will is professional and well- done. While being very focused on bringing bass and drums to the forefront of the mix, it still provides and balanced and even sound that comes across as crisp and enjoyable. I'd say this production suits the music perfectly.

Mogwai took bigger risks than usual with Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will, and even though I can't say I'm a huge fan of it, the band's ability to reinvent themselves is noteworthy - especially in a genre as increasingly stagnant as modern post-rock. This may not be their best offering to date, but it's a solid installment and an easy recommendation to longtime fans of the band. I'd say a solid 3 stars are deserved here. If the couple of throwaway tracks were replaced with more quality material, I could've easily given this one a higher score, though.

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Posted Sunday, August 21, 2011

Review by Chris S
SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Honorary Collaborator
4 stars Here's the thing with a few Post Rock bands, is that they originally start off their early studio offerings with consistent formulaic sounds. Repeated album releases endorsing the same basic song structures almost making their next releases easily predictable. Then all of a sudden they mellow and loosen up their sounds. The lastest Explosions In The Sky and God Is An Astronaut albums testify this point. The same can be said for this latest offering from Mogwai. Maybe it is just a trend with these similar sounding bands and the resulting evolution of their sound. So " Hardcore...." is a thoroughly refreshing release. The sounds are more stripped back, less broody for the most part and in fact hold an air of optimism. There is even a rare smattering of vocals on " George Square Thatcher Party". Other standout tracks are the melancholic " Letters To Metro" and the upbeat " San Pedro". Be warned " Rano Pano" is very much a reminder that they can still ram home disturbing offbeat songs too, indicating they are not roamed too far from home base.

Anyways a most enjoyable release, the band and their sound has mellowed making for a positive spin and yet another welcome release for 2011. This is proving to be a good year for new prog releases

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Posted Monday, September 19, 2011

Review by EatThatPhonebook
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3 stars 6/10

"Hardcore Will Never Die But You Will" is a natural evolution of "The Hawk Is Howling", attempting to reach a more modern sound.

In a few years, I believe that sadly, we can start labeling Post-Rock music such as this as "Post-Post-Rock". Clearly, Mogwai have abandoned the song structure they've always used, and that a good chunk of Post-Rock uses as well: the build ups. Maybe that is an exaggeration, as a matter of fact I can recall songs that even on this album use such a structure. But most of it is extremely accessible, probably because the band wanted to appeal to a slightly different crowd, and even because they felt the necessity of change, and I think that is a good thing. But overall I was more satisfied with the "Hawk Is Howling" experiment rather than this one.

Musically, compared to the previous album, not too much has changed: the use of electronics and even synths is amplified, the drums are strong, there's a lot of piano in these songs, as well as the usual guitars. There are interesting addictions however that were pretty much new for Mogwai, such as the violin.This album is to me a osrt of continuation to "Hawk Is Howling", as it shares many characteristics, but like I said the results for me are slightly different, finding the previous album more emotional in some points. I find that the only song I like a lot is "White Noise", the opener, which is full of emotion and reminds me a bit of 'I'm Jim Morrison, I'm Dead". "Rano Pano" is also a good track that I enjoy, with a somewhat robotic beat and kind of artificial flavor to it. But in the end most of this album sounds to me a bit too artificial, there's not too much humanity in it. I like when music is robotic, but only when it makes me actually believe it was played by robots. This album is not played by robots, it is played by some of the greatest Post-Rock musicians, and I can sense that, and the contrast for me becomes annoying. The ending track, "You're Lionel Richie", is another highlight for me, a song that has a nice build, but has also a really nice atmosphere.

An album I at first felt very skeptical about, but then it grew on me a little bit, despite me still having pretty big issues for it. Mogwai fans seem to enjoy this quite a bit, so I would recommend it to any fan who hasn't actually listened to it yet.

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5 stars What a spectacular album ! I discovered Mogwai a few years ago when my son came at home with«The Hawk is Hawling» CD and makes me listening to it ... specially with «I''m Jim Morrisson, I''m dead» song....Wow, so loaded of emotions! Thank you P ! But this Mogwai''s latest album is something ... (read more)

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